Mac Murdock
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Post by Mac Murdock on Sept 19, 2013 7:52:17 GMT -8
Can someone just tell me who to vote for? It's week fucking one people.
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Annie McClarabow
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Post by Annie McClarabow on Sept 19, 2013 8:21:50 GMT -8
Well said Chris. Cut through the crap. The names being floated are Amer, Tulley and fatty. There's been no clear consensus. Also Farrell is building a secret vote via messaging (trying to keep a control group and monitoring for prying spy eyes).
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djhopps
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Post by djhopps on Sept 19, 2013 8:55:51 GMT -8
Who is fatty?
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Annie McClarabow
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Post by Annie McClarabow on Sept 19, 2013 9:01:50 GMT -8
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Post by True Ingéneurs on Sept 19, 2013 9:43:03 GMT -8
What did people think about Neutrino's idea? Sounds kinda fun.
Tulley's Idea: if we vote for Tulley, then promise to help him be immune, what about week 2? Then we are faced with keeping 2 people Immune right? So not sure if trying to protect people each week is going to work, and selfishly, it takes the fun away from weekly challenges having to throw them every time..
Chris' post cracked me up.
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Post by True Ingéneurs on Sept 19, 2013 9:53:48 GMT -8
Also Chris,
I think week one's vote could be considered kind of a big deal.. it's potentially setting the stage for how we want to play/strategize.
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Post by Tulley Kennedy on Sept 19, 2013 10:40:54 GMT -8
Hey everyone...Sorry I havent posted....I have been busy and frankly forgot. I am normal! or whatever. Well I am convinced! I think its a fair point that whoever we decide, on the boards, to vote for as the polygraphed person is who the spies will axe, which could easily be me. So my feeling is vote for random people this week. That way we will either A) Uncover a spy/assassin, yay, or B) uncover a diplomat who won't be killed by the spies. We can then conspire to support that diplomat, whomever they may be. That's my plan at least, I am voting for someone random and not saying who.
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Post by Stinky Pete on Sept 19, 2013 10:45:21 GMT -8
I have a plan but we need a confirmed diplomat (dead or alive). Before the vote, we construct a chain of people and each person will tell the next person who this week's vote is. Whoever breaks that chain and names somebody else has some explaining to do when the voting results get published. That's pretty fuckin clever, Neutrino. I like it. Except that if the spies cover themselves up by going along with it, they still know what the week's vote is. We could get the known trustworthy people to collude in that manner, but that would make the known Diplomats waaaay more targetable, and it's so much less efficient than throwing a dart after you threw the last dart at your foot and then drinking the pain away
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Annie McClarabow
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Post by Annie McClarabow on Sept 19, 2013 11:06:39 GMT -8
Neutrino's plan is elegant but requires full or near full participation which we can't rely upon. Also, people need to follow the plan which we also can't rely upon.
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Post by True Ingéneurs on Sept 19, 2013 11:23:25 GMT -8
If someone breaks it, because it's a chain, wouldn't we know who to pin it on? ( I see lots of back and forth in our future. ) Maybe we wouldn't know right away, but after 2-3 more weeks would we know? If we do tulleys I'm not sure we are able to keep people safe.
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Post by Son Anheuser on Sept 19, 2013 11:30:12 GMT -8
I think I'm going with Tulley's plan. Because the vote does not kill the vote getter like in games past, the worst thing a random vote does is reveal a diplomat and it avoids giving the spies a chance to direct the vote or target the person who may be revealed as a diplomat.
of course if the vote is too splintered the spies may be able to vote as a bloc and set up a diplomat to be revealed/killed but they risk revealing themselves too early.
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Post by Stinky Pete on Sept 19, 2013 11:37:50 GMT -8
I've read and reread the whole thread...I am probably considered inactive...I have contributed very little to the game play. Reason being I have no idea how this is played. I've read the rules, I played the challenge, I read the posts...Im lost, so far from what I have read and understand which is very little we have 21 players split into 3 groups each group is trying to kill off the other 2, only peeps that know who each other is, is spies??? the rest of us are to try and figure out and get them voted off which equals death , so with that being said, I have not said much as I'm trying to figure this game out yet...so kill me off for inactivity, i'll continue to read and learn...but next episode I'll hunt you down and seek revenge. I do have my own theory as to who I personally would vote out this week, but based on suspicion, and personal theory. Too early to throw logic in there but it should start coming into play soon... Pass me the bottle Pete, I may have just written my own death sentence. Here you go, I always keep spare bottles hidden all over the train. In case of vodka emergencies. But don't worry, I trust you for now.
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Post by Mike Lenin on Sept 19, 2013 12:21:13 GMT -8
Hear ye mates! Its talk like a Pirate day! if ye haven't voted yet, please follow decorum and continue be squawking in pirate. arghhhh.
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Annie McClarabow
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Post by Annie McClarabow on Sept 19, 2013 13:39:28 GMT -8
If someone breaks it, because it's a chain, wouldn't we know who to pin it on? ( I see lots of back and forth in our future. ) Maybe we wouldn't know right away, but after 2-3 more weeks would we know? If we do tulleys I'm not sure we are able to keep people safe. The chain will break because someone like fatty or brad or some other non player doesn't bother to participate. They're not guilty, just uninterested.
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Post by Stinky Pete on Sept 19, 2013 13:51:38 GMT -8
Arr, I be celebratin' TLAPD like aye celebrate evarrry day, with a big ol' bottle o' rum!
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Post by Neutrino Esquire on Sept 19, 2013 13:54:26 GMT -8
If someone breaks it, because it's a chain, wouldn't we know who to pin it on? ( I see lots of back and forth in our future. ) Maybe we wouldn't know right away, but after 2-3 more weeks would we know? If we do tulleys I'm not sure we are able to keep people safe. The chain will break because someone like fatty or brad or some other non player doesn't bother to participate. They're not guilty, just uninterested. The person who starts the chain has to be trusted (that's why we need a confirmed diplomat). The inactive people can go near the end of the chain or be skipped entirely if the next person doesn't hear anything by a certain time. I don't expect the chain to finish either. That's not the point, we just need the votes to get far enough down the chain such that 1) we have enough for the majority vote or 2) we catch someone trying to derail the chain early on. We can do this without the chain altogether. It's basically "Everyone agree to vote for X. If someone doesn't vote for X. He/she may be working with X". However, the chain method singles people out one at a time and if they derail, we have ONE legitimate target for next week.
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Annie McClarabow
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Post by Annie McClarabow on Sept 19, 2013 14:04:09 GMT -8
Give it a try. My Mildvilles experience says that the chain will get fouled up before you get any good info. But maybe it will work.
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Post by bigsexy on Sept 19, 2013 14:25:10 GMT -8
I like the plan, Neutrino. It's not perfect, but it's better than anything I can come up with. We can also use the other plan of voting for someone and protecting them the next week. That person starts the chain and we see how it works out. I would think the chain should end with the person that started it. It's be good to know if the vote changed or if the chain died out early. I'm liking this little thought experiment more and more.
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Post by bigsexy on Sept 19, 2013 14:26:12 GMT -8
and by thought experiment, I meant Mildville. I like it. Kudos, Evan.
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Post by Amer on Sept 19, 2013 14:48:22 GMT -8
This is actually a valid point that I hadn't considered. If they know we're voting for Tulley, then they can just kill him this week. However, I don't see how we can operate if we can't discuss who to vote for. I have a plan but we need a confirmed diplomat (dead or alive). Before the vote, we construct a chain of people and each person will tell the next person who this week's vote is. Whoever breaks that chain and names somebody else has some explaining to do when the voting results get published. The person who starts the chain has to be trusted (that's why we need a confirmed diplomat). The inactive people can go near the end of the chain or be skipped entirely if the next person doesn't hear anything by a certain time. If everyone follows the chain, we force the spies to vote for who WE want. If someone breaks the chain, they will be revealed on Friday and targeted next. However, doing this will pretty much gurantee that the spies will kill off our vote this week. The tradeoff is that we control their vote unless they want to reveal one of their members. I don't see how this solves anything. The spies aren't going to try and change the vote. All they need to do is know who the vote is for. If it's a diplomat, then they kill that person the same week. Your proposal doesn't stop that from happening. Also, if you randomly happen to pick a spy, it's not like another spy is going to change that vote in order to protect him. That would reveal two spies. The spies will just play along, while making sure all the test recipients are stillborn. I think its a fair point that whoever we decide, on the boards, to vote for as the polygraphed person is who the spies will axe, which could easily be me. So my feeling is vote for random people this week. That way we will either A) Uncover a spy/assassin, yay, or B) uncover a diplomat who won't be killed by the spies. We can then conspire to support that diplomat, whomever they may be. That's my plan at least, I am voting for someone random and not saying who. This is the only plan that currently makes sense. Vote randomly, and either kill a spy/assassin, or expose a diplomat who can organize things.
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