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Post by Amer on Nov 30, 2012 16:14:30 GMT -8
Four players remain. One of them is a clone. Here goes all the evidence for and against them. Zac: I don't see any evidence against Zac. Everything he's stated has been what I'd expect from a logical, human player. He could have easily not voted this week and claimed "baby", and Chris would have lived. If Zac is the final clone, he's earned a victory. Kyle: Kyle started participating again after someone told him to send in answer for a challenge. Chris said that he asked Kyle why he participated and that Kyle told him that Evan told him to participate. Kyle then came on the forum and backed Chris' statements. Seeing that Chris is a clone, this seems to implicate Kyle. On the other hand, Chris is the one who brought attention to the fact that Kyle had participated in the challenge in the first place. This would make sense if clone Chris was trying to implicate the human Kyle. Once Kyle had plenty of attention and people were suspicious of him, Chris made it perfectly clear that he believed Kyle was human, which would absolve Chris of guilt when Kyle was killed. Kyle also came to us (Amer, Annie, Farrell) with the private message that Sarah sent him this week, stating that she, Chris, and True were voting for Farrell, and that he should, too. I don't see how Kyle benefits as a clone by sharing this information with us. If Kyle was a clone, he would have simply voted for Farrell and there would be two clones still alive. If Kyle is a clone, his actions have made no sense. I think it's safe to say Kyle is a human, which means it comes down to True and Sarah. True: True first drew attention by nominating Sarah and Annie for elimination when everyone was intent on killing Mike. This was rather stupid and made her look cloney, but since Mike and Annie both turned out human, the fact that it brought a lot of attention to True for no gain is actually a point in favor of her being human. Before this week's vote, she publicly stated that she was 90% sure Chris was a clone and that she voting for him. Note: that was at 11:01am. At 12:13pm — practically the same time — Kyle emailed me, Annie, and Farrell, to tell us that Sarah sent him a message stating that she, True, and Chris, were voting for Farrell, and that he should, too. This makes True look like a conniving liar — she tells us publicly she's voting for Chris while she's privately agreed with Sarah and Chris to vote for Farrell. She has now posted her defense to this, which appears to be that Farrell was "sneaky" and that she was worried that he would come after her later. It's a rather stupid excuse, but it's believable. I don't see this as damning evidence that she's a clone. She claims that Sarah told her that Farrell was accusing True of being a clone. If we assume that Sarah is the final cone, then this indicates that True was simply duped. True also stated in her defense that she thinks maybe Kyle and Zac are both clones, which, again, tells me that True is somewhat clueless. As far as I can tell, True is less likely to be a clone than just easily duped. She voted for Farrell because Chris and Sarah tricked her into thinking they were buddies and that Farrell was coming after her. Even after Chris has been revealed as a clone, she appears to be reluctant to suspect Sarah of being a clone. Her "friendship" appears to be a bigger influence in her decisions than facts. Sarah: I have suspected Sarah for a while. She has been far too quiet. She usually has lots of ridiculous theories which she is constantly posting. When she found that I had voted for her in the clone poll, she didn't protest. Not one word. She didn't want to know why I thought she was a clone. Most likely, she didn't want me publicly stating my case against her. Now she has posted this big, coherent explanation for her vote this week, which is, again, out of character. In it, her reasons for voting Farrell were nonsense: She said Farrell consorted with dead humans (how does that makes him a clone); Farrell consorted with Zac (he's the least suspicious person left); Farrell pit True and Sarah against each other (even if this was true, how does that make him a clone). The most damning thing against Sarah is her PM to Kyle. She's admitted that she led the secret campaign against Farrell, but there's one important question here: why didn't she include me and Annie? If she had some good arguments, why not present them to the two known humans? Actually, why even bother with a secret campaign at all? Who was she hiding from? Farrell, sure, but why was Zac left out? If she had good arguments, why hide them? Sarah conducted her campaign in private because that's the way she and Chris have been operating all season. She included True because she knew True could be easily duped. She included Kyle because she believed Kyle wasn't really interested in playing and would go along with whatever without question (she was wrong). She did not include Farrell because he was the target human. She did not include me, Annie, and Zac, because we are logical humans who were going after her clone partner, Chris. Her defense for killing Farrell was twice the size of any post I've ever seen her make in Mildville, and it cleanly segued into attacking Kyle, who has next to no evidence against him. It seems quite clear that Sarah is the final clone.
So, we've established who the final clone is. Now comes the hard part. Zac is sick and has a newborn, Kyle is only barely playing, and Sarah has convinced True that they are BFF. Even if we do manage to convince True that Sarah is the clone, she could flip-flop at the last minute because, I dunno, a butterfly told her Zac must be the clone or some shit. Or maybe she'll just outright lie about who she's voting for again. Who knows.
Whatever the case, Kyle and Zac will vote for Sarah, and Sarah will just vote for whomever True randomly decides to vote for, which will lead to a tie, which means the clones win.
Good luck!We just need need Kyle and Zac to vote for Sarah. Sarah and True can vote for whomever. It doesn't matter.
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Post by Farrell on Nov 30, 2012 16:24:43 GMT -8
I agree Sarah is the most cloney. I suspected her ever since I made a post about her being quiet this time around. I've just been trying to get out Chris first.
Also though, If there is a tie between Sarah and anyone, then both die and there are two humans left and humans win.
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Post by Amer on Nov 30, 2012 16:27:50 GMT -8
Hmm, you're right. I don't know what I was thinking. We just need Zac and Kyle to vote for Sarah. That shouldn't be too hard. True can go nuts.
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Post by Mac Murdock on Nov 30, 2012 16:59:12 GMT -8
My favorite part of all this is when the clones win!
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Post by Amer on Nov 30, 2012 17:05:28 GMT -8
Sounds like you're in for some disappointment. You guys were sooo close...
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Post by Super Sarah on Nov 30, 2012 17:14:13 GMT -8
Fine, I'll be the last human to die and the humans still win. Whatever. I got played and now I'm screwed. If it's not Kyle, it's True. Or Zac has played a masterful game. See? I just have no idea. Because there's not much to go off of this round other than strong hunches. I don't feel like I need any dead person's permission to vote how I want but I can see how endorsements provide all the credit. And WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP ASKING WHY I'VE BEEN SO QUIET? I WAS THE ONE THAT STARTED THE THREAD IN WEEK 2 OR 3 ASKING WHY IT WAS SO QUIET IN GENERAL!!!!! I HAVE LIKE 95 POSTS!!! "Actually, why even bother with a secret campaign at all? Who was she hiding from? Farrell, sure, but why was Zac left out? If she had good arguments, why hide them?" To answer your question, it was because at that point I thought that Farrell and Zac were the last two clones. Both leading the group and hiding in the open or whatever. Also, your comment about Chris and I conspiring this entire game is laughable!!! This vote was the first time I contacted him.
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Post by Tulley Kennedy on Nov 30, 2012 17:22:34 GMT -8
I still think it is Amer
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Post by Super Sarah on Nov 30, 2012 17:36:17 GMT -8
"When she found that I had voted for her in the clone poll, she didn't protest. Not one word. She didn't want to know why I thought she was a clone. Most likely, she didn't want me publicly stating my case against her." I just assumed you were being mean like you always are.
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Post by Amer on Nov 30, 2012 17:41:04 GMT -8
Fine, I'll be the last human to die and the humans still win. Whatever. I got played and now I'm screwed. If it's not Kyle, it's True. Or Zac has played a masterful game. See? I just have no idea. Because there's not much to go off of this round other than strong hunches. I don't feel like I need any dead person's permission to vote how I want but I can see how endorsements provide all the credit. Huh? If you're human, and you die, how do the humans "still win"? That would only work if you and True voted for the "real" clone while Zac and Kyle vote for you, but then you say you have no idea who the last clone is, so I'm not seeing how you think the humans will still win with your "sacrifice". You appear too distraught to have thought this statement through. I'm curious who you think "played" you. You said you were the one who started the secret campaign against Farrell. Also, you didn't mention why Annie and I weren't trustworthy enough to be in your club. It's pretty clear that we're working on more than mere "hunches". You know I've had you and Chris pegged for weeks. Don't be a sore loser now.
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Post by Super Sarah on Nov 30, 2012 17:56:57 GMT -8
Sarah: I have suspected Sarah for a while. She has been far too quiet. She usually has lots of ridiculous amazing theories which she is constantly posting. When she found that I had voted for her in the clone poll, she didn't protest care to listen to a dead person. Not one word. She didn't want to know care why I thought she was a clone. Most likely, she didn't want me publicly stating my case against her. knew she was human and most people trusted her so she wasn't about to worry or care about a dead human's crazy antics. Now she has posted this big, coherent explanation for her vote this week, which is, again, out of character the most amazing thing I've read all week. In it, her reasons for voting Farrell were nonsense perfectly clear: She said Farrell consorted with dead humans (how does that makes him a clone) (why does that add credibility?); Farrell consorted with Zac (he's the least most suspicious person left); Farrell pit True and Sarah against each other (even if this was true, how does that make him a clone) It was a dick move. The most damning thing against Sarah is her PM to Kyle. She's admitted that she led the secret campaign against Farrell, but there's one important question here: why didn't she include me and Annie? you're not playing with me and that makes me sad If she had some good arguments, why not present them to the two known humans? Why was I excluded from most of that discussion anyway?? Actually, why even bother with a secret campaign at all? Who was she hiding from? The Alien Farrell, sure, but why was Zac left out? Because I think he's a clone. If she had good arguments!!! why hide them?Sarah conducted her campaign in private because that's the way she and Chris have been operating all season. AAAhahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! I really needed a good belly laugh!! She included True because she knew True could be easily duped. She included Kyle because she believed Kyle wasn't really interested in playing and would go along with whatever without question (she was wrong). She did not include Farrell because he was the target human. Duh! She did not include me, Annie, and Zac, because we are logical humans who were going after her clone partner, Chris. and I'm sad she wasn't playing with us. Her defense for killing Farrell was twice the size [that's what she said] of any post I've ever seen her make in Mildville, and it cleanly segued into attacking Kyle, who has next to no evidence against him. it was a nice example of excellent writing skill. It seems quite clear that Amer can suck it.
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Post by Super Sarah on Nov 30, 2012 17:59:04 GMT -8
Fine, I'll be the last human to die and the humans still win. Whatever. I got played and now I'm screwed. If it's not Kyle, it's True. Or Zac has played a masterful game. See? I just have no idea. Because there's not much to go off of this round other than strong hunches. I don't feel like I need any dead person's permission to vote how I want but I can see how endorsements provide all the credit. Huh? If you're human, and you die, how do the humans "still win"? That would only work if you and True voted for the "real" clone while Zac and Kyle vote for you, but then you say you have no idea who the last clone is, so I'm not seeing how you think the humans will still win with your "sacrifice". You appear too distraught to have thought this statement through. I'm curious who you think "played" you. You said you were the one who started the secret campaign against Farrell. Also, you didn't mention why Annie and I weren't trustworthy enough to be in your club. It's pretty clear that we're working on more than mere "hunches". You know I've had you and Chris pegged for weeks. Don't be a sore loser now. But I thought if we outnumbered clones we won? maybe I should re-read the rules. If I'm killed then all hope is lost for humanity. sorry boo.
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Post by Farrell on Nov 30, 2012 22:18:20 GMT -8
But I thought if we outnumbered clones we won? maybe I should re-read the rules. If I'm killed then all hope is lost for humanity. sorry boo. If that's not an indictment I don't know what is. She doesn't know the vixtoryconditions for the humans. It's the clones who Winifred they equal or outnumber the humans. Humans always outnumber the clones.
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Post by Super Sarah on Dec 3, 2012 12:30:57 GMT -8
Well if the humans want to waste a week and lose a vote... fine. Good luck finding the clone because everyone else seems sooooo innocent right now. I'm human. And despite my "surprisingly coherent" arguments... I made a really stupid move.
The living should make their own case for or against me instead of listening to Amer. Don't just take the easy road... that's what the clone is going to do.
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Post by Farrell on Dec 3, 2012 13:25:16 GMT -8
What was your stupid move?
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Post by Mac Murdock on Dec 3, 2012 13:31:26 GMT -8
Don't just take the easy road... that's what the clone is going to do. I take offense to that.
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Post by Super Sarah on Dec 3, 2012 15:01:26 GMT -8
What was your stupid move? voting off a human? being on the wrong side of the vote at the wrong time? keeping secrets from Amer? and probably trusting the wrong people but I don't know who that is yet.
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Post by Super Sarah on Dec 3, 2012 15:06:59 GMT -8
Don't just take the easy road... that's what the clone is going to do. I take offense to that. I'm not saying it's stupid... just really convenient. Super easy for any clone to hide in a group when everyone is being told who to vote for. That last clone is just gonna be like... ok cool, I'll get rid of this human because everyone else will vote the same. Then it will be really hard to get two people to vote the same in the final 3 and I'll probably win. Especially if I earn the trust of one of the humans and find out who they are voting for.
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Post by Farrell on Dec 3, 2012 15:08:23 GMT -8
What was your stupid move? voting off a human? being on the wrong side of the vote at the wrong time? keeping secrets from Amer? and probably trusting the wrong people but I don't know who that is yet. I think if you are human, your biggest mistake would be to be so secretive about your votes. You also surprised us with your vote against Tulley, but I can understand your reluctance to vote against Chris that week as well...
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Post by Super Sarah on Dec 3, 2012 15:13:20 GMT -8
voting off a human? being on the wrong side of the vote at the wrong time? keeping secrets from Amer? and probably trusting the wrong people but I don't know who that is yet. I think if you are human, your biggest mistake would be to be so secretive about your votes. You also surprised us with your vote against Tulley, but I can understand your reluctance to vote against Chris that week as well... I voted for Tulley because he killed off Amer... super obvious! And I knew it had to be a veteran player by who he was eating. I could've been wrong but it would have only been a wasted vote that week and there were still plenty of people left.
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Post by Amer on Dec 3, 2012 15:24:28 GMT -8
What was your stupid move? voting off a human? being on the wrong side of the vote at the wrong time? keeping secrets from Amer? and probably trusting the wrong people but I don't know who that is yet. That's several moves. I'm not saying it's stupid... just really convenient. Super easy for any clone to hide in a group when everyone is being told who to vote for. That last clone is just gonna be like... ok cool, I'll get rid of this human because everyone else will vote the same. Then it will be really hard to get two people to vote the same in the final 3 and I'll probably win. Especially if I earn the trust of one of the humans and find out who they are voting for. What if that last clone is the person that everyone is voting for? Then what will the clone do? Vote for herself to blend in?
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