Meh, the more I think about it, the more I'm having doubts about the chain plan. It basically changes to rules back to how it was last season: person with the most votes gets killed (diplomat or spy).
On another subject, what's the reason for protecting the confirmed diplomats? At least one diplomat is going to die every week anyways. If it isn't Stinky Pete this week, it's going to be another diplomat.
I'm still going to try to throw the immunity challenge to Stinky Pete this week. Not because I want to try to keep him alive (sorry Pete), but because it's better for a known diplomat to have immunity than for a spy or an unknown to have it.
I think the point of that was to convince some sucker to be the guinea pig. Nobody wants to die — certainly not this early. Now, it serves to slightly increase the odds that: we hit a spy or assassin; the spies kill the assassin; or, the assassin kills a spy. If there are multiple, confirmed diplomats, however, I imagine the spies will kill one.
Say Pete says a name, the spy is next with that name but changes it, then tells me, would I "get my name approved with Pete in secret? and go from there?
That's the plan, and I'll come up with the chain in secret and only tell people who they receive from and give to. Naturally, I won't start the chain until Evan officially reveals my diplomattyness. Y'all need to be careful because for all you know, I'm a spy who's hoping that some fluke gets someone else revealed instead of me.
However, I've thought of another problem with the chain idea that I'll discuss with people whom I trust in private, in case the spies haven't thought of it.
I'm not so sure that the spies are going to target me, but I am worried because (pardon my narcissism) I feel like a pretty strong player this year and if they do kill me then they don't have to reveal another Diplomat to us. If they (and the assassin) can't kill me then that forces three revelations next week, from the polygraph, the assassin, and the spies.
With the point that Sarah made, I think it's in the general Diplomat interest to keep me alive this week and until we find another Diplomat to keep alive. As the only known Diplomat (as soon as Evan announces it) I'm declaring that going against this plan makes you highly suspect.
Obviously this should be moot to the rest of you if Evan announces that I'm a Spy or Assassin, since you can't be sure juuuuust yet.
The wodka shows me the light. Or maybe that was the *hic* sunrise
Sorry, but this plan is dumb. The chain won't work (I've tried it before), and it's unnecessary. Here's what needs to happen:
The three confirmed diplomats decide, in private, who will be targeted. They tell everyone how to vote this week — in private. No one shares this. They tell 5 random people to vote for the target, and give everyone else random targets. This prevents the spies from knowing the real target.
And Evan published the results hours ago. Try to keep up.
Post by Stinky Pete on Sept 20, 2013 14:38:11 GMT -8
I agree with Amer about the chain, and since I no longer intend to use it, I'll say what the other problem is with it. Any spy can fabricate "proof" that the person before them on the chain told them the wrong person, and I can't verify without forcing their log-in credentials out of them to look at their messages, which is basically cheating.
Also wow, I totally missed that in the Gazette. I guess there is such a thing as drinking yourself blind.
The wodka shows me the light. Or maybe that was the *hic* sunrise
Post by Commando Investerson on Sept 24, 2013 14:29:54 GMT -8
Sorry I've been out of town for the past week with stuff. I've read the thread and I'll summarize my thoughts on voting strategies:
we can make no assumption about the activity (or inactivity) of spies. They could be silent, or they could be one of you. I will make no assumption that they are inactive.
Having said that, I think we are better off voting for an active player. The spies already know who we (the diplomats) are, for the most part. Yea you might get lucky in outing an inactive spy, but there is much more benefit to flushing out the truth about someone active. As pete put it....confirming the legitimate diplomat status of a very active player helps alot, because you don't have to second guess the information he puts out. And if he is a spy then you've just eliminated a great source of misdirection.
Essentially voting for an inactive player offers you nothing more than chance, whereas information on an active player is something that can benefit us either way.
Post by Peppperettte Paige on Sept 24, 2013 15:24:05 GMT -8
From what I'm reading everyone seems to be a diplomat or wants to have it be believed they are a diplomat, I personally feel you can't all be diplomats, so I agree, maybe not for the same reasons as commando, but it seems it would be more beneficial to vote for an active player, but not one that is a known diplomat. Immunity saved Pete this week , and I'd keep him safe next week also, I'd rather flush unknowns out...unless my strategy, and logic is way off, convince me otherwise please. I cant see why the assassin would waste a bullet on a known diplomat, instead seek out another player and let the spies do his dirty work eliminating diplomats, all the while dodging bullets him/herself.
Remember keep your friends close and your enemies closer!
Post by Commando Investerson on Sept 24, 2013 15:50:30 GMT -8
I kind of agree with you pepper. We're better off knowing about these folks in here that are trying to sway us one way or the other. Just cuz they conspire with use here doesnt mean they are diplomats. I would volunteer myself for a polygraph if you guys wanted to. But I would say any active player is a good target.
But if someone really does have a good consensus or strategy, I'm game.
Buzzfly: I dont even know what you are talking about.
May 11, 2020 20:14:11 GMT -8
Mike Lenin: It comes across as contrived that you don't know the plight of Annie. You're playing coy
May 11, 2020 20:18:08 GMT -8
Mike Lenin: you posted in the mildville gazette forum right before posting this shoutbox. I can't believe that you would make this comment AFTER reading the Gazette. Please. It's normal behavior economics to read the Gazette then post. This makes you suspect.
May 11, 2020 20:20:24 GMT -8
Buzzfly: Ya whatever. As I said vote how you want, nothing is going to change how you think. Frankly, its getting to be a waste of time.
May 11, 2020 20:21:38 GMT -8
Mike Lenin: OMG, dude, you are totally a villain and are caught!
May 11, 2020 20:23:27 GMT -8
Buzzfly: You must be really bored
May 11, 2020 20:23:50 GMT -8
Mike Lenin: And yeah, I'm open minded to new ideas when they fit. Earlier I had shouted at you that I'm willing to accept that you could be a hero
May 11, 2020 20:23:58 GMT -8
Mike Lenin: boring people get bored
May 11, 2020 20:24:02 GMT -8
Mike Lenin: and definitely not sober
May 11, 2020 20:24:10 GMT -8
Buzzfly: Well that I can drink too
May 11, 2020 20:24:41 GMT -8
Mike Lenin: And yeah, for the record, tl;dr you accused me of playing the game, and to boot, to that, correctly, in identifying you as a villain. So despite it being clear that we are playing for different teams, I'm still down to share a drink with you
May 11, 2020 20:28:03 GMT -8
Buzzfly: Take another drink, you will need it when you find out youre wrong
May 11, 2020 20:29:16 GMT -8