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Apr 23, 2020 12:18:31 GMT -8
Post by Ron Wednesday on Apr 23, 2020 12:18:31 GMT -8
I could certainly get on the kill Wednesday bandwagon. I'm just wondering if her power is sort of useless to the villians. Assuming he's telling the truth which is always a big assumption, how would knowing who targeted a Hero be helpful to the villains? They already know who all the heroes are. Second, he did use the term "visited," and was confused by it as we all were. Evan had to confirm what it meant. This leads me to believe he was telling the truth about his power or is a VERY skilled liar. Another option for this weeks vote could be Bsketchy. He was also pushing for a week 1 vote and we don't know what his power is. He is also suggesting people post what their powers did last night which could be a villain way of figuring out who has useful powers. I still think the right move is voting for someone and each week, it'll get more clear that those pushing inaction are likely villians and dooming us as time goes on. The argument was 'wait a week becuase then we'll have our powers'. . .and I'm still waiting for the advocates of this strategy to give us a plan or explain how the powers are helpful. . .or why they didn't just cost us a week. I was trying to do this and didn't realize powers should be as super hidden but whatever. Heck, even if the plan is 'accuse me for trying to figure out a move', that's at least a plan. Then you'll kill me, see I'm a superhero, then can jump on those early folks who are shifting blame to me. If I'm a villian, I'm certainly doing it poorly by making myself an easy target. I still think they will be some people virtually entirely silent and then a few people subtly pushing. When we start seeing votes we will know more.
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Apr 23, 2020 12:24:16 GMT -8
Post by stinkypete on Apr 23, 2020 12:24:16 GMT -8
Some of the following could be superpowers that someone can have. There are also Super Powers in this game not listed, here: Super-Stealth: The power to follow a player at night to see whom they target Clone: The power to have your day vote secretly counted twice Invisibility: The power to watch a player at night to see who targets them Resurrection: The power to protect one other person from being killed during the night Mind Reading: The power to detect another players role (but not whether they are good or bad) It would make sense for a villain pretend to be confused by this and act like they don't know what their power is, in order to come across as more candid. If anyone besides Wednesday did in fact target me last night, that person would know Wednesday is lying, but a liar could get lucky too. I think Invisibility was originally called Mental Projection (because I asked about it in that thread) and Evan changed it to Invisibility because Amer wouldn't be able to see who they're mentally projecting. Whoever has Mind Reading should check Wednesday and anyone who can be pressed for explanation, to see if it lines up. But don't out yourself right away because we need all the readings we can get from you. There's not a slam dunk case against Wednesday yet, it's just a matter of whether we want to take a wild swing just for the sake of advancing the plot.
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annie2
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Apr 23, 2020 12:24:30 GMT -8
Post by annie2 on Apr 23, 2020 12:24:30 GMT -8
Voting last week was stupid - we had no information and would, in all liklihood have voted out a hero. This week, at least we can read posts and discern suspicious behavior from that. That Wednesday is Doubling down on his opinion re voting last week is, at worst, suspicious, at best, misguided. So, I could vote that way.
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Apr 23, 2020 12:33:27 GMT -8
Post by Ron Wednesday on Apr 23, 2020 12:33:27 GMT -8
Now that I read me saying 'when we see votes', it does occur to me this format leaves that open since no forced vote. So I did have an idea, which may or may not be good for me and death given the winds, but at least it makes people make decisions and might outlive me. What if everyone just put in a straw vote now, let's say by EOD. Here I guess so we don't kill anyone by accident. It accomplishes a few things:
1. It's an actual record of something you'd imagine the bad guys would coordinate on who they vote and try to get enough to kill someone 2. We see who is activly paying attention 3. We can total it up and at least we know how close we are to voting for anyone
This whole idea that we'll figure things out by 'suspicious behavior' is likely just to kill anyone attempting to formulate ways to help find the bad guys. I've been a bad guy in past games and I was always SUPER paranoid my posts could make me seem odd and draw target. Either I'm super meta-braining this all by being a loud opinionated bad guy or we should be looking at people subtly pushing in direction or silent which is usually why the evil team does.
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Apr 23, 2020 12:38:59 GMT -8
Post by stinkypete on Apr 23, 2020 12:38:59 GMT -8
I'm trained by years of heavy Twitter use to detect when people are being deliberately obtuse and blurring the conversation to hide their total lack of morals and hidden agenda. I still think the right move is voting for someone and each week, it'll get more clear that those pushing inaction are likely villians and dooming us as time goes on. The argument was 'wait a week becuase then we'll have our powers'. . .and I'm still waiting for the advocates of this strategy to give us a plan or explain how the powers are helpful. . .or why they didn't just cost us a week. I was trying to do this and didn't realize powers should be as super hidden but whatever. When people die we find out if they were heroes, and they can explain what their power was and all the information they got by using it. Look at the list of powers, some of them provide objective information that can be pieced together, but we don't know who has those yet, so we risk screwing ourselves more by killing a power that we desperately need for rooting out villains. Every living hero is a growing investment that cashes out at death. Further, by not killing a hero we get more cycles before the villains can reach a point where they can vote as a mask-off bloc and rush us The argument is not "wait a week because then we'll have our powers." The argument is that every death is very meaningful, and the deaths we have control over, we have to make count for something. The death needs to be a solid *get* for us. Heck, even if the plan is 'accuse me for trying to figure out a move', Pat yourself on the back some more. If we had killed Amer, we wouldn't know you targeted me, and the villains would have killed someone else to boot. Every hero is a hero we could have killed but didn't, who now has information that wouldn't be available if we had killed them.
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Apr 23, 2020 12:50:57 GMT -8
Post by stinkypete on Apr 23, 2020 12:50:57 GMT -8
just put in a straw vote now, let's say by EOD. Here I guess so we don't kill anyone by accident. It accomplishes a few things: 1. It's an actual record of something you'd imagine the bad guys would coordinate on who they vote and try to get enough to kill someone You've been in Mildville how long and you're saying the villains wouldn't randomly distribute themselves in a fake poll? In order to sell us on an avenue to eliminating inactives at random again?
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Mac Murdock
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Apr 23, 2020 13:20:57 GMT -8
Post by Mac Murdock on Apr 23, 2020 13:20:57 GMT -8
Some of the following could be superpowers that someone can have. There are also Super Powers in this game not listed, here: Mind Reading: The power to detect another players role (but not whether they are good or bad) Not to break up this heated debate just before it gets personal BUT can ask the boss to clarify what a player's role is? Is that another term for power?
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Apr 23, 2020 13:25:10 GMT -8
Post by Evan on Apr 23, 2020 13:25:10 GMT -8
Some of the following could be superpowers that someone can have. There are also Super Powers in this game not listed, here: Mind Reading: The power to detect another players role (but not whether they are good or bad) Not to break up this heated debate just before it gets personal BUT can ask the boss to clarify what a player's role is? Is that another term for power? Yes, role means power
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Apr 24, 2020 10:07:40 GMT -8
Post by sonletmein on Apr 24, 2020 10:07:40 GMT -8
Amer was a hero and he had advocated for not voting if I recall. I still think we need everyone to publicly declare in the open that they are not a villain. Then the hero's may be able to use their powers in some way to try and figure out who may be lying. Without this we have no more information than we had last week really.
I am not a villain.
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Apr 24, 2020 11:01:39 GMT -8
Post by Will Button on Apr 24, 2020 11:01:39 GMT -8
Amer was a hero and he had advocated for not voting if I recall. I still think we need everyone to publicly declare in the open that they are not a villain. Then the hero's may be able to use their powers in some way to try and figure out who may be lying. Without this we have no more information than we had last week really. I am not a villain. The villains know who the good guys are. The good guys essentially don't have to hide their role at all, so I think this plan of declaring you're not a villain is a good idea. But is it possible for someone to even use their power to decide if these statements are indeed true? Don't they use their powers at night? Would they have to use some sort of "look into the past" power or something to decide if a statement made at one specific point in time was true or not? Either way, I'll say it as well. I am not a villain.
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Apr 24, 2020 12:00:49 GMT -8
Post by stinkypete on Apr 24, 2020 12:00:49 GMT -8
Amer was a hero and he had advocated for not voting if I recall. I still think we need everyone to publicly declare in the open that they are not a villain. Then the hero's may be able to use their powers in some way to try and figure out who may be lying. Without this we have no more information than we had last week really. I am not a villain. The villains know who the good guys are. The good guys essentially don't have to hide their role at all, so I think this plan of declaring you're not a villain is a good idea. If I were Mayor that power would sound like a nightmare, but there's certainly no cost to hope for it, so may as well cast the net I am not a villain. I am a hero. Always have been except for that time before they invented laws. I gotta say I'm leaning toward Occam's Razor to explain Wednesday's behavior. I may have been looking for easy answers in some reactions that were merely born of frustration. But Wednesday is still an attractive sacrifice because of the slightly elevated probability and the limited power. People who were rallying for random elimination last week and then got real quiet all of a sudden should get their due probing. It would be almost like the U-formation tactic to coax a mark into advocating that policy and then to leave them holding the bag Merlot? Buzz? Mike? You have any reason to dispute this characterization?
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Apr 24, 2020 13:55:09 GMT -8
Post by bsketchy on Apr 24, 2020 13:55:09 GMT -8
Amer was a hero and he had advocated for not voting if I recall. I still think we need everyone to publicly declare in the open that they are not a villain. Then the hero's may be able to use their powers in some way to try and figure out who may be lying. Without this we have no more information than we had last week really. I am not a villain. The villains know who the good guys are. The good guys essentially don't have to hide their role at all, so I think this plan of declaring you're not a villain is a good idea. But is it possible for someone to even use their power to decide if these statements are indeed true? Don't they use their powers at night? Would they have to use some sort of "look into the past" power or something to decide if a statement made at one specific point in time was true or not? Either way, I'll say it as well. I am not a villain. First things first: I am good. I don't believe anyone has the power to see good or evil, but I could be wrong. Another part of the mystique of all this is none of us know what anyone else can do. Based on the known powers, identifying a liar will take a bit of luck, and would go something like this: 1) Player A states they are good 2) Player B watches Player C at night, and sees that Player A paid them a visit 3) In the morning, Player C is dead Now Player B knows that Player A was the only person who visited the hero who died last night, identifies them as a dirty dirty liar, and shouts it from the tallest building in Mildtropolis. That being said, I don't exactly know how the villains kill. Is there a villain vote? Is there one assigned killer? Do they rotate? Things should start to become more and more clear as the game goes on, and the population dwindles. From what has been posted, it appears there are no good leads on who visited Amer last night. I have nothing more to offer, as my power doesn't allow me to watch or track anyone. Personally, I haven't seen anything that provides a good argument for or against any one person. Well, except Amer. I'm 100% sure he was good.
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annie2
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Apr 24, 2020 13:58:14 GMT -8
Post by annie2 on Apr 24, 2020 13:58:14 GMT -8
Won't everyone say they are a hero? I don't see how this helps...
But I'll do it. I'm good.
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Mac Murdock
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Apr 24, 2020 14:06:49 GMT -8
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Post by Mac Murdock on Apr 24, 2020 14:06:49 GMT -8
Won't everyone say they are a hero? I don't see how this helps... But I'll do it. I'm good. It’s based on an assumed power...something to the effect of seeing if a player lied on a specific post. I’m not a villain but I don’t think it’s gonna be that easy...
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Farrell
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Apr 24, 2020 14:48:17 GMT -8
Post by Farrell on Apr 24, 2020 14:48:17 GMT -8
I'm a hero.
I thinking voting for someone who advocated voting last week is a good choice. Its better than randomly killing someone. I think Wed and Bsketchy fit that bill. Merlot did vote as well but he voted for Bsketchy and he seems to be a newbie.
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Day Two
Apr 24, 2020 15:20:23 GMT -8
Post by Ron Wednesday on Apr 24, 2020 15:20:23 GMT -8
Yeah, confused by this 'say we're not a villian thing' but sure. I'm a hero here was well, which maybe Amer even helped prove this? Do we know if bad guys have powers like us? Like why would they want to check on people's visitations and such since they know who everyone is. Plus, double votes and protecting people all seem like pretty powerful when they can coordinate all their moves. It they do have powers like that, seems pretty broken.
I'll still never to understand why advocating against inactions puts a target on me. Clearly each week we get fewer good guys and our powers haven't revealed much. But it's fine too, if you kill me, then I'll be revealed as good and I can't really be that against it since even that would at least force people to vote which I've been advocating from the beggining. Plus, maybe then you can go back and find the subtle lurkers pushing inaction or killing me but not being loud about it, which are often more likely the bad guys.
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Mac Murdock
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Apr 24, 2020 16:54:54 GMT -8
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Post by Mac Murdock on Apr 24, 2020 16:54:54 GMT -8
It’s safe to assume that the villains are equipped with powers comparable to us. One can hope that they are a little bit weaker because they are able coordinate attacks...but maybe Mayor Evan is willing to disclose something???
I guess I’m fine voting off one of those two...is there any ‘evidence’ to sway the mob one way or another.
Personally I’m cautious to start casting stones because there’s the chance they’re both heroes arguing in the dark. You know whoever condemns a hero (accidentally or not) is going to become public enemy number 1.
That said I’m 100% prepared to vote this time around. I guess I just haven’t made up who for.
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trebec
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Apr 24, 2020 20:45:22 GMT -8
Post by trebec on Apr 24, 2020 20:45:22 GMT -8
Being a true stickler for gameplay, secrets and abilities are usually kept a secret in games like Mildville (Werewolf, Town of Salem, etc) for a reason. Any person can claim to be any role and have any super power.
With that being said, I want fellow citizens to know that I am good and believe in the heroes of Mildville.
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Apr 25, 2020 5:15:18 GMT -8
Post by merlotbrougham on Apr 25, 2020 5:15:18 GMT -8
1. As a group, the heroes advantage is our votes, because that's the only way we can get rid of villains. There's likely not a vigilante "power" (i.e. A hero with a night kill ability), or two people would have died overnight.
2. If we're not voting, regardless of what we do with our night actions, the villains are free to kill one hero every night until they even the numbers and win. At a certain point, we would have to kill perfectly every consecutve day without hitting a single hero. Example: Assume there are 6 villains out of 18 players. That would mean there are 12 heros. In this example, they only need to kill 6 heroes in order to win. So lets say we don't vote to kill for 5 days, and they only need one more to win. In order to stop that from happening, would HAVE to kill a villian in order to survive until the next day, and every day after that, so the pressure's on. Without enough information, we are shooting completely blind. There are two types of key information can accumulate as heroes in order to flush out the vilians: Who people choose to vote for and why, as well as our night actions. We are completely cutting off one source of information by not voting.
3. If we're not voting, our only other power in this game is our nights abilities, but nobody knows the entire picture. If everybody claims what they did and the result they got, we may be able to piece it together enough to find the liars and have a better chance of hitting a villain before we reach the point of no return.
Thoughts?
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Apr 25, 2020 13:01:37 GMT -8
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Post by Super Sarah on Apr 25, 2020 13:01:37 GMT -8
1. As a group, the heroes advantage is our votes, because that's the only way we can get rid of villains. There's likely not a vigilante "power" (i.e. A hero with a night kill ability), or two people would have died overnight. 2. If we're not voting, regardless of what we do with our night actions, the villains are free to kill one hero every night until they even the numbers and win. At a certain point, we would have to kill perfectly every consecutve day without hitting a single hero. Example: Assume there are 6 villains out of 18 players. That would mean there are 12 heros. In this example, they only need to kill 6 heroes in order to win. So lets say we don't vote to kill for 5 days, and they only need one more to win. In order to stop that from happening, would HAVE to kill a villian in order to survive until the next day, and every day after that, so the pressure's on. Without enough information, we are shooting completely blind. There are two types of key information can accumulate as heroes in order to flush out the vilians: Who people choose to vote for and why, as well as our night actions. We are completely cutting off one source of information by not voting. 3. If we're not voting, our only other power in this game is our nights abilities, but nobody knows the entire picture. If everybody claims what they did and the result they got, we may be able to piece it together enough to find the liars and have a better chance of hitting a villain before we reach the point of no return. Thoughts? Re #2 I’ve been thinking about the same thing - how long can we wait to vote until it’s a problem? The example assumes there are 6 villains but we won’t know for sure until the end (but it’s probably 6). So this week does it make sense to vote someone out in order to get more information? Or can we afford one more week? I’m definitely a good superhero btw 🦸🏼♀️
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