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Post by Buzzfly on May 1, 2020 13:19:21 GMT -8
I did originally vote for Buzzfly. My reasoning was that he didn't post much or add anything to the discussion. Not switching my vote right now. Wouldn't to be accused of jumping on a band wagon. I have added, you might not have been aware of my game night appearance or the fact that I started a game thread
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Post by Ron Wednesday on May 1, 2020 13:39:06 GMT -8
Annie, before I was just pointing out it's not a 'new' vote for me, but a re-up from one you did early on, adding timing. Obviously, not saying everyonoe who voted for me would be bad, I gotta believe the bad team has some vets and is smarter than that. It's likely all more useful as pattern reference for votes.
Mike, from the start, I thought he more likely a good guy and like myself, bored and easy to get into a heated arguement but not fearing posting since we have nothing to hide. I even sent him a message to this effect on DM, trying to take our strategy disagreement offline. But then it got distracting and much more about phrasing and other stuff, so I figured it was an active strategy to prevent us from having useful conversations. Now that we're returning to useful and not picking apart every word people post immediatly, it's removing that as a strategy since it only works if you go in for the kill. TBH, one more day of that and I'd have voted for myself just to not have to deal with it and let the game continue.
I was already planning on removing my vote from pete today and saying the above, so I'm open to being convinced to vote for someone. I might not present theories against specific people for a litlte bit, but I will come in and give my reason for whom I vote for. Haven't decided yet, but I still think it's important we start taking action, even if my will to lead that charge has waned.
(Also I LOVE 'Ron Wednesday' and I HAD to do a new profile photo. Warning you can never unsee it. . .)
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 1, 2020 14:10:30 GMT -8
Annie, before I was just pointing out it's not a 'new' vote for me, but a re-up from one you did early on, adding timing. Obviously, not saying everyonoe who voted for me would be bad, I gotta believe the bad team has some vets and is smarter than that. It's likely all more useful as pattern reference for votes. Mike, from the start, I thought he more likely a good guy and like myself, bored and easy to get into a heated arguement but not fearing posting since we have nothing to hide. I even sent him a message to this effect on DM, trying to take our strategy disagreement offline. But then it got distracting and much more about phrasing and other stuff, so I figured it was an active strategy to prevent us from having useful conversations. Now that we're returning to useful and not picking apart every word people post immediatly, it's removing that as a strategy since it only works if you go in for the kill. TBH, one more day of that and I'd have voted for myself just to not have to deal with it and let the game continue. I was already planning on removing my vote from pete today and saying the above, so I'm open to being convinced to vote for someone. I might not present theories against specific people for a litlte bit, but I will come in and give my reason for whom I vote for. Haven't decided yet, but I still think it's important we start taking action, even if my will to lead that charge has waned. (Also I LOVE 'Ron Wednesday' and I HAD to do a new profile photo. Warning you can never unsee it. . .) Please don't get me wrong. I'm still suspicious of you, and I think if you can lead us to the scent of another villain, then that would grant you one more day upon this earth. I still want to vote for you, and you really smell like a villain, but someone please correct if I'm wrong, you are a harmless this week with your super powers? Can we coordinate your ninja powers to help heroes? Would you mind sharing the private messages you had with Pete? By the way, is he also Stinky? Why do you call him Pete? Man, you're suspicious. I think it would be illuminating for our votes to have these private messages shared quickly (so no time to edit) and to validate stinky as well. p.s. love the avatar and new name
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 1, 2020 14:13:42 GMT -8
I did originally vote for Buzzfly. My reasoning was that he didn't post much or add anything to the discussion. Not switching my vote right now. Wouldn't to be accused of jumping on a band wagon. I have added, you might not have been aware of my game night appearance or the fact that I started a game thread Whoa, are you Derek or Brian? Doesn't matter Cause during game night, I asked folks how they felt about Sarah, and the both of you were not too sad about a hero death. My takeaway from game night is that Derek, Brian, and Farrell had the most suspicious behavior.
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Post by Jesse "Codemonkey" Young on May 1, 2020 15:10:40 GMT -8
Missed my vote last round - but not going to happen this time. Voting for Ron (or whatever they're calling themselves these days) Is no one else super curious about people who haven't participated much coming in without explanation and voting for someone? There is only one group that would be into that and several people in this category, not just the above. I find it highly suspicious a 'name change' struck at their values and they had to vote. If there are people in the hero camp just voting for whatever name they see. . .why isn't Pete or anyone calling that out as dangerous behavior? There is something fishy here. I always feel as if explaining yourself in these games can easily make you a target if you're correct, especially early on in the game when the villains are mostly picking a hero at random to kill because they don't know who's best to target. Now, what is fishy is repeated attempts to move the mob onto a different target.
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 1, 2020 15:42:49 GMT -8
Is no one else super curious about people who haven't participated much coming in without explanation and voting for someone? There is only one group that would be into that and several people in this category, not just the above. I find it highly suspicious a 'name change' struck at their values and they had to vote. If there are people in the hero camp just voting for whatever name they see. . .why isn't Pete or anyone calling that out as dangerous behavior? There is something fishy here. I always feel as if explaining yourself in these games can easily make you a target if you're correct, especially early on in the game when the villains are mostly picking a hero at random to kill because they don't know who's best to target. Now, what is fishy is repeated attempts to move the mob onto a different target. I get that, except let’s follow the reasoning. Ron Wednesday is verified as having a superpower that I think with cooperation can help Heros out. I think he leans villainous, but he can be most helpful to heros, even as a live villain because we can follow him in the night, and I think his power is spying. So while I appreciate the assertion, please kindly follow the line of reasoning in that Ron Wednesday Can do hero work helping out team hero, despite actually being an actual villain.
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Mac Murdock
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Post by Mac Murdock on May 1, 2020 16:05:58 GMT -8
I always feel as if explaining yourself in these games can easily make you a target if you're correct, especially early on in the game when the villains are mostly picking a hero at random to kill because they don't know who's best to target. Yeah... let's keep underestimating the Villians. one night they kill Amer and the next they wipe out two heroes in one stroke. maybe they got lucky BUT it's certainly unwise to assume them fools.
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Post by Ron Wednesday on May 1, 2020 16:49:24 GMT -8
Annie, before I was just pointing out it's not a 'new' vote for me, but a re-up from one you did early on, adding timing. Obviously, not saying everyonoe who voted for me would be bad, I gotta believe the bad team has some vets and is smarter than that. It's likely all more useful as pattern reference for votes. Mike, from the start, I thought he more likely a good guy and like myself, bored and easy to get into a heated arguement but not fearing posting since we have nothing to hide. I even sent him a message to this effect on DM, trying to take our strategy disagreement offline. But then it got distracting and much more about phrasing and other stuff, so I figured it was an active strategy to prevent us from having useful conversations. Now that we're returning to useful and not picking apart every word people post immediatly, it's removing that as a strategy since it only works if you go in for the kill. TBH, one more day of that and I'd have voted for myself just to not have to deal with it and let the game continue. I was already planning on removing my vote from pete today and saying the above, so I'm open to being convinced to vote for someone. I might not present theories against specific people for a litlte bit, but I will come in and give my reason for whom I vote for. Haven't decided yet, but I still think it's important we start taking action, even if my will to lead that charge has waned. (Also I LOVE 'Ron Wednesday' and I HAD to do a new profile photo. Warning you can never unsee it. . .) Please don't get me wrong. I'm still suspicious of you, and I think if you can lead us to the scent of another villain, then that would grant you one more day upon this earth. I still want to vote for you, and you really smell like a villain, but someone please correct if I'm wrong, you are a harmless this week with your super powers? Can we coordinate your ninja powers to help heroes? Would you mind sharing the private messages you had with Pete? By the way, is he also Stinky? Why do you call him Pete? Man, you're suspicious. I think it would be illuminating for our votes to have these private messages shared quickly (so no time to edit) and to validate stinky as well. p.s. love the avatar and new name I think it's safe to be suspicious of everyone, so I hold no offensive. We should all generally be wary, but at some point, we go with our gut. I remember the sorts of things eventual bad guys sound like, but just as often, that stuff is just how someone is and we're wrong. Text is already a terrible way to get meaning(anyone working on slack all day knows this). However, votes are pretty well locked in and recorded, so are powers, so is when you back or don't back someone, jump on a wagon, etc. . . I don't know anyone here except for from past mildvilles which I did too many years ago to remember exactly the character of their text messages. I use Pete, cause calling someone Stinky sounds rude. Why shorten names? who knows, I haven't ever thought about it. If this is suspicious, jeez, we'll be jumping at everything. I can post the message, but also, it seems very 'jump through hoops for you', which I've got no incentive to do and I'm not having fun if all I do it keep attempting to defend every word I've written, so I'm over that. I've made peace with being killed for not really doing anything of substance. Pete can post if he wants or if this becomes SUPER relevant to the game. Are we sure that the bad guys must visit someone to kill them? Did that get confirmed by evan? I mean, between knowing I can see who visited, having a swap, and super stealth, I feel like we could setup some sort of check in on a number of people to make sure certain people don't use a power, but I'm not sure the purpose yet unless that's going to stop or save someone. This is actually really good thinking, irrevelant of what you think of me. I'd love to catch someone in a lie about their powers or have them back out of a plan. . .then we're getting somewhere.
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Post by Buzzfly on May 1, 2020 17:10:16 GMT -8
Is no one else super curious about people who haven't participated much coming in without explanation and voting for someone? There is only one group that would be into that and several people in this category, not just the above. I find it highly suspicious a 'name change' struck at their values and they had to vote. If there are people in the hero camp just voting for whatever name they see. . .why isn't Pete or anyone calling that out as dangerous behavior? There is something fishy here. I always feel as if explaining yourself in these games can easily make you a target if you're correct, especially early on in the game when the villains are mostly picking a hero at random to kill because they don't know who's best to target. Now, what is fishy is repeated attempts to move the mob onto a different target. Im Mike
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Post by Farrell on May 1, 2020 17:51:37 GMT -8
I always feel as if explaining yourself in these games can easily make you a target if you're correct, especially early on in the game when the villains are mostly picking a hero at random to kill because they don't know who's best to target. Now, what is fishy is repeated attempts to move the mob onto a different target. I get that, except let’s follow the reasoning. Ron Wednesday is verified as having a superpower that I think with cooperation can help Heros out. I think he leans villainous, but he can be most helpful to heros, even as a live villain because we can follow him in the night, and I think his power is spying. So while I appreciate the assertion, please kindly follow the line of reasoning in that Ron Wednesday Can do hero work helping out team hero, despite actually being an actual villain. I don’t think Ron’s power is verified. We have only his word on what it does. This Mildville is different from previous ones in that it requires a majority to kill instead of a plurality. We are quickly reaching the deadline and if we don’t have eight votes on someone then nobody dies which is automatically a win for the villains. So anyone trying to change the vote at this point is suspicious. I’m not sure ron is a villain, but what I a:sure is that he is a giant noisy distraction for the heroes and is thereby helping the villains. Let’s get rid of the distraction. Please change your vote to Ron, we have enough voters to get a majority.
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Post by annie2 on May 1, 2020 17:55:15 GMT -8
I always feel as if explaining yourself in these games can easily make you a target if you're correct, especially early on in the game when the villains are mostly picking a hero at random to kill because they don't know who's best to target. Now, what is fishy is repeated attempts to move the mob onto a different target. Im Mike You believe this guy is a villain?
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 1, 2020 18:06:58 GMT -8
I get that, except let’s follow the reasoning. Ron Wednesday is verified as having a superpower that I think with cooperation can help Heros out. I think he leans villainous, but he can be most helpful to heros, even as a live villain because we can follow him in the night, and I think his power is spying. So while I appreciate the assertion, please kindly follow the line of reasoning in that Ron Wednesday Can do hero work helping out team hero, despite actually being an actual villain. I don’t think Ron’s power is verified. We have only his word on what it does. This Mildville is different from previous ones in that it requires a majority to kill instead of a plurality. We are quickly reaching the deadline and if we don’t have eight votes on someone then nobody dies which is automatically a win for the villains. So anyone trying to change the vote at this point is suspicious. I’m not sure ron is a villain, but what I a:sure is that he is a giant noisy distraction for the heroes and is thereby helping the villains. Let’s get rid of the distraction. Please change your vote to Ron, we have enough voters to get a majority. I'm becoming more certain Ron Wednesday is a villain as he is not cooperating with this investigation and I want to see blood, but unless I'm wrong, he's harmless this week, and I want to see him and buzzfly battle it out, and see whom protects whom, and listen to how people are going to use their superpowers, to suss out villains. Quick easy deaths are nice, but we need some dialogue, and clear standing on issues so we can contact trace te villainry. I also think Heroes can use some coordination and building trust on using our superpowers to suss out villains. Sure, it's a distraction to split things up, however; it is much needed discussion. Lets evaluate, with two people up for a murderous time, with some heat taken off of him, Ron refuses to go after Buzzfly. A villain in this situation would be compelled to throw away their vote, than want to vote another villain. So, someone explain, what value does it have to vote for Ron?
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Post by stinkypete on May 1, 2020 20:44:27 GMT -8
so, at this moment, I'd like to ask stinky how would you feel if you got this whole Ron/Wednesday thing wrong? And I'd like to ask the lynch mob, does anybody feel like Ron/Wednesday is innocent? Lets say he's a villain. Can we grant him one more week? I'd like to argue the merits of this. AS the dynamic has changed, I'm now not so eager to get on board with being so eager to kill him this week! He obviously can't kill people during the night, as he was blocked, and we lost two heroes this last week. So, anybody but stinky, please correct me if I'm wrong, what benefit does it serve us to kill Ron this week? I think he's been forthright about super powers and stuff so if he's a villain, lets hold him hostage and make him out other villains? IMO MerlotBroghm is a villain from the way that he addresses heroes earlier in the thread. Almost as if he wasn't a hero. But his logic seems ok. Regardless, as a placeholder, I'd like to change my vote for Merlotbrougham. I ask that his posts be given a closer look. If my reasoning is wrong, I'll be happy to change my vote. But yeah, Im not so sure about the value to team hero in voting off Ron/Wednesday this week. This is what I need help with. I would feel like I was standing in front of the train tracks holding a big wet turd. I have been considering what Mike is talking about, and it's fair. I'm working with like 70% chances, not 95%, I just harp on the few concrete pieces of evidence I can hold onto because otherwise I fear losing them to a public memory hole. But when I step back, if I think Ron is probably a villain and Buzzfly is probably a villain, don't we want to reward the villain who talks? Who offers a volume of earnest expression in which there's a chance to let something slip? For all I accuse him of (peppering jokes between suggestions to avoid being held accountable for suggestions), I can't knock his earnest output. He's making the game worthwhile in a way that at least a couple other villains aren't. And for the same reason, I would hold off on Merlot. I've been back and forth there. But certainly worth getting intel at night. I'm sorry for the late flip, but I think we can get to 8 with less chance of trying till the last minute to browbeat the last person into their vote, because it's actually many bystanders.
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Post by stinkypete on May 1, 2020 20:50:30 GMT -8
I get that, except let’s follow the reasoning. Ron Wednesday is verified as having a superpower that I think with cooperation can help Heros out. I think he leans villainous, but he can be most helpful to heros, even as a live villain because we can follow him in the night, and I think his power is spying. So while I appreciate the assertion, please kindly follow the line of reasoning in that Ron Wednesday Can do hero work helping out team hero, despite actually being an actual villain. I don’t think Ron’s power is verified. We have only his word on what it does. This Mildville is different from previous ones in that it requires a majority to kill instead of a plurality. We are quickly reaching the deadline and if we don’t have eight votes on someone then nobody dies which is automatically a win for the villains. So anyone trying to change the vote at this point is suspicious. I’m not sure ron is a villain, but what I a:sure is that he is a giant noisy distraction for the heroes and is thereby helping the villains. Let’s get rid of the distraction. Please change your vote to Ron, we have enough voters to get a majority. sorry I didn't read this first. I really am worried about hold-outs re: Ron this week, but if I see seven I'm making eight, not screwing around here.
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 2, 2020 1:37:31 GMT -8
after taking into consideration what Farrell has said, and the dynamic with stinky and everyone voting this week, I believe Ron Wednesday is a villain, and It serves team heros best interest to go after him this week.
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Post by Ron Wednesday on May 2, 2020 9:02:07 GMT -8
I get that, except let’s follow the reasoning. Ron Wednesday is verified as having a superpower that I think with cooperation can help Heros out. I think he leans villainous, but he can be most helpful to heros, even as a live villain because we can follow him in the night, and I think his power is spying. So while I appreciate the assertion, please kindly follow the line of reasoning in that Ron Wednesday Can do hero work helping out team hero, despite actually being an actual villain. I don’t think Ron’s power is verified. We have only his word on what it does. This Mildville is different from previous ones in that it requires a majority to kill instead of a plurality. We are quickly reaching the deadline and if we don’t have eight votes on someone then nobody dies which is automatically a win for the villains. So anyone trying to change the vote at this point is suspicious. I’m not sure ron is a villain, but what I a:sure is that he is a giant noisy distraction for the heroes and is thereby helping the villains. Let’s get rid of the distraction. Please change your vote to Ron, we have enough voters to get a majority. I 100% agree it's a distraction. . One I never caused other than defending myself. As I've said a ton and will in my death note, don't let people hide behind mob rule, follow each one who jumped in in what order, and why they did. I'm literally in the cross hairs for suggesting strategy we're employing now early, a profile pic(which was fun!), and 'phrasing?' which stinky made a big mess over, not for actual votes, alligning myself with someone, caught in lies over powers, or anything. None of the people but Pete have even put in a theory for why I would be a bad guy, just a 'feeling', which is the playbook of the evil team because you can't question them about it later. They can just say 'oops, wrong feeling'. So, if you all insist on taking the team off this cliff, enjoy the rest of the game on your own with 2 more heroes dead and a loss of an experienced player openly contributing while trying to reduce noise. The 'actual' heroes left can comfort themselves that I brought surely brough this on myself?. . .right, enjoy being the next target for no reason. But . . . I'll die doing my usual of trying to get people to use some strategy which likely will get another call for my death focusing on some random thing I said above to distract. I'm pretty sure we can 'verify' a power or use our stated powers to confirm lies or alliances if they exist. I can visit and see who someone visits. Super stealth can also watch me to verify. Plus a person is doing something we can see. If I visit someone who hasn't showed their power, I can know what I saw. Someone with super can verify this is what I did. Yes, we don't know the persons power, however, they could post is on another random internet board for us to confirm later that they did what they said. Or something like this, I wish Amer was here who was good at this stuff. But some of you people with all the time to pick over my posts could likely figure out a chain. And yes, it could be broken, but that also tell us something and we'd know who was breaking the chain. But it might give us some more to go on, our powers are here for a reason, so let's cooperate to use them.
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 2, 2020 10:14:50 GMT -8
I feel like you can be queen for a day and spill out everything you know and think, and in your impending death, we can deconstruct what you say and let it guide team hero. That is if you were a hero, you would be cooperative and do hero stuff valiantly. But you've been shifty and less than forthright, and I think speaking up and cooperating does more damage to your cause as a villain, so given the amount of deception that you have shown, and the fact that your kind (yeah that's a totally racist ideoglogy) has created chaos among this town , I agree with Farrell this week, that despite last ditch attempts to show you mercy, and the fact that there have been senseless murders of our brothers and sisters, there needs to be retribution, and your sacrifice, while a few weeks in the making, might not offer direct justice, but will ultimately make Mildtropolis a better place
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Post by stinkypete on May 2, 2020 11:56:55 GMT -8
, a profile pic(which was fun!), and 'phrasing?' which stinky made a big mess over, . Oh come on, now my whole case is just an Archer reference? You wonder why I keep dogging you it's because I don't like to see my work devalued and mangled.
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