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Post by Mike Lenin on May 11, 2020 23:25:45 GMT -8
Oh, ok, now I understand the mechanic with switching. I stand corrected. This is a good clarification:) And OMG, i can see how difficult it is to get a clear picture putting these pieces together. I think a double accounting with what people told you, and their public statements can be really helpful.
I have been going over day 2 and day 3 postings with Ron and looking at the things that Annie said, and my gut told me that Chris Mac is a villain, and Farrell too. Chris just kind of chimed in. He had a great post early on that was the status of the game complete with color coded charts. But that is villainry 101 in creating that false perception early on hoping that we would look at this manufactured perception. And Farrell led the charge towards Ron Wednesday, which is ok, but he hasn't shown remorse about being wrong, nor seems happy about Annie.
In looking back, there is a consistency with villain's posts. Both Annies and Trebec's had this kind of authoritative tone towards things. As if they were more narrative forming than truth seeking. I mean, I accuse everyone, but at least, can step back and validate their arguments.
For the record, the kiss of death can't be blocked, so lets factor that in.
Heres what I think:
Things are getting dark in Mildtropolis.
It's possible that it exists as the makeup is 5-4 heroes right now. If we're lucky, it's 6-3. But more than likely as 5-4. With villains and their kiss of death, A vote for EROK would most likely win the game for the villains as it would create an even amount of villains and heros. In a 6-3 scenario, it puts the game dangeously close. I think Erok could be playing coy by voting in the discussion thread. So, I took the initiative to encourage him to vote publicly for buzzfly in a private message with a link to the voting thread. Which I hope he does. How he responds to this is indicative of where he stands.
My assumption is that the game is 5-4 and is very close. Heroes need breathing room, and it serves the best interest of team hero to vote buzzfly off this week. I want to simmer with EROK and see how he responds to the buzzfly vote.
Can we get on board with this reasoning?
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Post by Evan on May 12, 2020 5:49:53 GMT -8
What happens if days are cut short due to a quick vote? 4 of 5 I'm on a fucking roll! I'll look at that on a case by case basis. For instance, if someone has really been trying to be constructive and involved, but a surprise vote surge ends the day when they have 3-4 posted, they will stay alive. I dont want this to become a weapon for bad guys or something that removes active players that are having fun, it's just a useful mafia mechanic to get the recluses more involved.
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Post by Mac Murdock on May 12, 2020 6:37:20 GMT -8
Voting records are important BUT I would remind everyone that the villains are 100% willing to sacrifice their own.
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Post by Farrell on May 12, 2020 8:14:07 GMT -8
Mike,
Why do you suspect me?
3/5
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 12, 2020 8:34:27 GMT -8
Voting records are important BUT I would remind everyone that the villains are 100% willing to sacrifice their own. there are numerous instances of villains doing this every day. The case for Chris Mac is he made a post early on that was helpful, but where is his comprehensive reasoning now? That post was designed to make poor researchers think he is a hero simply because it’s there. It’s noticeably absent because there are too many cartwheels for a villain to make given the truth that is emerging.
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Post by Buzzfly on May 12, 2020 8:39:57 GMT -8
Voting records are important BUT I would remind everyone that the villains are 100% willing to sacrifice their own. there are numerous instances of villains doing this every day. How do you feel about buzzfly? 1-5) I feel you will fall on your sword to not step forward and admit your villainous ways,
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 12, 2020 8:40:14 GMT -8
Mike, Why do you suspect me? 3/5 I have been watching your emotions as you showed no remorse for Ron Wednesday, and throughout the game have a patterns of manufacturing perceptions to make you appear heroic. Your vote to knock Annie comes across as calculated to make people think that “you have a record of voting for villains”. Just because it was a death blow makes it even more shrewder.
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Post by Farrell on May 12, 2020 9:20:26 GMT -8
Mike, Why do you suspect me? 3/5 I have been watching your emotions as you showed no remorse for Ron Wednesday, and throughout the game have a patterns of manufacturing perceptions to make you appear heroic. Your vote to knock Annie comes across as calculated to make people think that “you have a record of voting for villains”. Just because it was a death blow makes it even more shrewder. Interesting, and what about my vote for Trebec? Your voting record has been much more suspect than mine as you have yet to vote for a villain. You voted for Annie early, but then retracted your vote when it became close to her being killed and tried to give her a chance to save herself.
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Post by Buzzfly on May 12, 2020 9:24:33 GMT -8
3-5) Many people are asking what my super power is, so to be an open book. Sorry new here and still learning how it all works.
1) I can bring back someone to life 2) Must be mentioned at night and who the person I want brought back to life 3) I can only use it once 4) If the person dies that I mentioned, that person can live again 5) If you feel that your on the chopping block come to me prior to voting if youre not a villain that is
What super powers do you have?
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Post by Farrell on May 12, 2020 9:51:52 GMT -8
Evan posted that it was a possible power. Resurrection: The power to protect one other person from being killed during the night
You are saying you can only use it once or can only be successful at it once? What I mean is that can you try it again and again until it works? If not, that seems like an awfully hard power to use.
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 12, 2020 10:43:10 GMT -8
I have been watching your emotions as you showed no remorse for Ron Wednesday, and throughout the game have a patterns of manufacturing perceptions to make you appear heroic. Your vote to knock Annie comes across as calculated to make people think that “you have a record of voting for villains”. Just because it was a death blow makes it even more shrewder. Interesting, and what about my vote for Trebec? Your voting record has been much more suspect than mine as you have yet to vote for a villain. You voted for Annie early, but then retracted your vote when it became close to her being killed and tried to give her a chance to save herself. Yeah I wanted to catch the pedantic villains that would try to use this against me as only focusing on the half truth of my voting record, and overlooking the intent and will it took to get people to join this bandwagon. It means little that you voted for Trebec. She was destroyed by merlot! And it would make sense for cover to vote for her and Annie. Your strategy is commensurate with your brilliance, but when it comes to being a hero or not, Your case is looking more suspect. As a villain it is conniving that you would vote to bring down your confederates to raise your own cause
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Post by Mac Murdock on May 12, 2020 10:50:48 GMT -8
Voting records are important BUT I would remind everyone that the villains are 100% willing to sacrifice their own. there are numerous instances of villains doing this every day. The case for Chris Mac is he made a post early on that was helpful, but where is his comprehensive reasoning now? That post was designed to make poor researchers think he is a hero simply because it’s there. It’s noticeably absent because there are too many cartwheels for a villain to make given the truth that is emerging. Mike, what exactly are you doing to help the group? To me it seems like you accuse everyone and let chaos ensue. Forgive me for only contributing when I feel it’s beneficial...
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Post by Farrell on May 12, 2020 10:55:55 GMT -8
Interesting, and what about my vote for Trebec? Your voting record has been much more suspect than mine as you have yet to vote for a villain. You voted for Annie early, but then retracted your vote when it became close to her being killed and tried to give her a chance to save herself. Yeah I wanted to catch the pedantic villains that would try to use this against me as only focusing on the half truth of my voting record, and overlooking the intent and will it took to get people to join this bandwagon. It means little that you voted for Trebec. She was destroyed by merlot! And it would make sense for cover to vote for her and Annie. Your strategy is commensurate with your brilliance, but when it comes to being a hero or not, Your case is looking more suspect. As a villain it is conniving that you would vote to bring down your confederates to raise your own cause I truly am brilliant or the worst villain ever. I've voted to kill two villains while you have voted to kill none. I never posted anything to try and save either Trebec or Annie. Perhaps there is a third option, I'm a hero and you are the villain trying to get everyone to vote for me.
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 12, 2020 11:10:58 GMT -8
Yeah I wanted to catch the pedantic villains that would try to use this against me as only focusing on the half truth of my voting record, and overlooking the intent and will it took to get people to join this bandwagon. It means little that you voted for Trebec. She was destroyed by merlot! And it would make sense for cover to vote for her and Annie. Your strategy is commensurate with your brilliance, but when it comes to being a hero or not, Your case is looking more suspect. As a villain it is conniving that you would vote to bring down your confederates to raise your own cause I truly am brilliant or the worst villain ever. I've voted to kill two villains while you have voted to kill none. I never posted anything to try and save either Trebec or Annie. Perhaps there is a third option, I'm a hero and you are the villain trying to get everyone to vote for me. I pulled back on Ron Wednesday too because I had reservations about him. I pulled back on Annie so a villain could cast a death blow. That was a villain trap. Simply highlighting my voting record is villainous propaganda. Personally, I think you are a top of the line villain and I have lots of respect for you and would expect the very type of advanced game play that you did. So let’s get you on the record and have you defend buzzflyy? He’s on the chopping block as right now he is most suspect. I want to see you do cartwheels! Here are my top four villains Buzzfly Baketchy Chris Mac Farrell
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 12, 2020 11:19:55 GMT -8
I truly am brilliant or the worst villain ever. I've voted to kill two villains while you have voted to kill none. I never posted anything to try and save either Trebec or Annie. Perhaps there is a third option, I'm a hero and you are the villain trying to get everyone to vote for me. I pulled back on Ron Wednesday too because I had reservations about him. I pulled back on Annie so a villain could cast a death blow. That was a villain trap. Simply highlighting my voting record is villainous propaganda. Glad that codemonkey came out of the woodwork on this one. We still need some other folks to jump on the melee wagon. I love the ideas of villains cannibalizing themselves publicly especially at this juncture. if Annie is a villain, which there is totally good reason to believe because her story is not compelling, people who are not jumping aboard on this feast now shall soon be considered suspect, and shall be feasted upon. What I’m saying is there is room at the table:) We’re at 4 votes now and we have enough to execute. I feel good about Code, Merlot, Stabby and Stinky as a good human crew. I definitely want to hear what buzzfly says regarding Annie! Personally, I think you are a top of the line villain and I have lots of respect for you and would expect the very type of advanced game play that you have done so far. So let’s get you on the record and have you defend buzzfly? He’s on the chopping block as right now he is most suspect. He needs your help. So for a thought experiment, I ask that you pretend you are a hero, and see if you can make a compelling case for buzzfly from a heroic perspective. Oh and if you want to use voting records, baketchy has been completely hiding and not voting for villains. Here are my top four villains Buzzfly-99.5 percent certain Baketchy-circuitous posts, doesn’t vote villain at all Chris Mac-only rebroadcasts well known information Farrell-was suspicious but now becoming more certain
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 12, 2020 11:31:41 GMT -8
there are numerous instances of villains doing this every day. The case for Chris Mac is he made a post early on that was helpful, but where is his comprehensive reasoning now? That post was designed to make poor researchers think he is a hero simply because it’s there. It’s noticeably absent because there are too many cartwheels for a villain to make given the truth that is emerging. Mike, what exactly are you doing to help the group? To me it seems like you accuse everyone and let chaos ensue. Forgive me for only contributing when I feel it’s beneficial... Stirring up waters to catch fish big boy
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Post by Farrell on May 12, 2020 11:31:55 GMT -8
I can't defend buzzfly, he's on my list of suspected villain. The only reason you are above him to me is that trebec voted for buzzfly instead of Zac/Ron and you voted for Zac/Ron. So you're voting records is you only vote in the majority against Heroes.
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 12, 2020 11:43:50 GMT -8
there are numerous instances of villains doing this every day. The case for Chris Mac is he made a post early on that was helpful, but where is his comprehensive reasoning now? That post was designed to make poor researchers think he is a hero simply because it’s there. It’s noticeably absent because there are too many cartwheels for a villain to make given the truth that is emerging. Mike, what exactly are you doing to help the group? To me it seems like you accuse everyone and let chaos ensue. Forgive me for only contributing when I feel it’s beneficial... Good question-I have been going around making accusations, and learning from my mistakes. Early on, I made a few, but generally feel good about the results from these mistakes. I feel terrible about Ron, but like the fact that I at least gave him a fighting chance. Then I saw how this strategy could be used against villains in pulling back. Farrell got caught in the trap and it has allowed people who have viewed me with righteous distrust to weigh my reasoning (even when slightly off) against villainous claims to distort, distract, and deny. This is why I feel comfortable in my strategy as it has acted as a catalyst to see the two camps emerge. It is because I have a lot of respect for your ability to contribute, that is the reason I think your contributions of late have been weak and are used with ulterior villainous motives.
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Post by bsketchy on May 12, 2020 11:44:51 GMT -8
To piggyback Farrell, it's pretty ballsy for Mike to call out anyone's voting record. Mike, you might want to recheck the voting thread and get your facts straight.
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 12, 2020 11:51:19 GMT -8
I can't defend buzzfly, he's on my list of suspected villain. The only reason you are above him to me is that trebec voted for buzzfly instead of Zac/Ron and you voted for Zac/Ron. So you're voting records is you only vote in the majority against Heroes. Lolz, you can’t go on voting records only as a line of reasoning as I did not have a complete line of information like you did. Annie has originally voted for buzzfly one week for cover. As did Trebec. I don’t need to hide my identity like you do. It’s crystallizing that your votes were embedded for later on in the game.
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