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Post by Evan on May 18, 2020 19:36:31 GMT -8
hairrrrr
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 18, 2020 19:58:55 GMT -8
With the way that things have played out three of us are super heroes, and one of us is a villain. A wrong vote for a superhero does us in. This is it.
How about for starters, everyone declares where they were and what they did last night?
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Post by merlotbrougham on May 18, 2020 20:21:16 GMT -8
With the way that things have played out three of us are super heroes, and one of us is a villain. A wrong vote for a superhero does us in. This is it. How about for starters, everyone declares where they were and what they did last night? Sounds good. Let's start with you. If you are a hero, you should have no reason to avoid openly claiming before hearing from everyone else.
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Stabby
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Post by Stabby on May 18, 2020 20:31:57 GMT -8
I'll open up. I have lied to many individuals and this will put an end all of it.
I'm a superhero. My night power is Power Blocker.
Last night, I tried to block Merlot. My "action failed"
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 18, 2020 20:34:13 GMT -8
@merlot, I understand your perspective, but an honest account of what you saw would be important to share right now.
Its important for heroes to have trust right now. I assure you that I will do quid pro quo after you. It would make no sense for a villain to renege on such an agreement in a public discussion post.
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 19, 2020 8:29:11 GMT -8
At this time, everything is on the table, and from the looks of voting records and accusations, the remaining villain has played things masterfully. My hats off to you, whoever your are.
To get a sense of villain strategy, lets have a Chris Mac retrospective. He lied about his powers to Stabby. He voted for other villains, including early on, had a helpful summary, even put a few villains away with votes, argued with other villains, and even gave us a bit of truth in this maxim....
Voting records are important BUT I would remind everyone that the villains are 100% willing to sacrifice their own.
Which is why, in looking back at last week's vote, Bsketchy and Stabby's open accusation against Chris are important, but don't abscond them entirely in my book. They are still on the hook, as either vote, as part of a larger strategy, would be to get an embedded hero in the end game accusations.
My original case for Stabby has been his deceit and logical reasoning. At times, he is speaking from both sides of his mouth, and I have been at wits end with this, however, he has stepped forward to say that he has been deceitful, which for a hero strategy, can catch villain fish, but does not entirely vindicate him. He has jumped guns and acted ahead of the team.
I have mad respect for each player left in the game, and as such, I have not ruled out anybody as villain yet.
There is an inconsistency that needs to be sorted out in the fact that what each person did last night can be telling.
Stabby is leading a charge against you...privately. He was sneaky about Farrell's humanity. He kinda hid the fact that codemonkey was a twin with farrell.
@merlot, you put a lot of pressure on EROK for not answering your question in week 6 and used this as a basis for a changed vote towards him.
This changed vote changed the trajectory of things, strategically allowing the villains to pick off the protector first (EROK) and then the resurreector (Buzzfly)
So it is fitting that things are coming full circle to you.
While we can make compelling cases for everyone's villainry, and things have been a bit warped with Stabby's lies, lets see if we can sort a few things out so we can make the right vote to get rid of villain scumbaggery.
Therefore, I ask again, what did you see last night?
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Post by Stabby on May 19, 2020 8:52:25 GMT -8
... Stabby is leading a charge against you...privately. He was sneaky about Farrell's humanity. He kinda hid the fact that codemonkey was a twin with Farrell. ... To be transparent, this was something Farrell wanted. He didn't let us know his powers for a long time and didn't explain to us why CodeMonkey was good either. Since Farrell was a confirmed hero, I mostly accepted it up to a certain point. As you were publicly trying to get me to explain why he is a confirmed hero, he was asking us (mostly me) in our private chat to tell you to shut up. Bsketchy can confirm this. Merlot can also confirm this as he was also part of the group chat.
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 19, 2020 9:00:57 GMT -8
May Farrells and Codemonkey's memories be a blessing.
Codemonkey seemed heroic enough with his voting record opposite of Trebec's.
Interestingly enough, I went after Farrell hard in week 6 because he seemed dicey. Like he was hiding something. So apparently he was. I went after bsketchy because he also seemed like he was hiding something-which he was-(clone vote) and could still possibly be hiding something, getting satisfaction of us heroes going after one another. In this sense, he's kinda like my wife, who is constantly hiding things from me, but plays coy.
That discussion with you, Merlot, and Bsketchy had a villain in there which puts it all to moot and endangered Farrell and codemonkey which put them at risk.
I'm so undecided on you three as to who the remaining villain is, but right now, Merlot's silence speaks volumes.
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Post by bsketchy on May 19, 2020 9:39:35 GMT -8
In this sense, he's kinda like my wife, who is constantly hiding things from me, but plays coy. Thanks? Lol
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 19, 2020 11:09:30 GMT -8
Stabby, Youve been deceitful a lot lately. Your actions with the information gathering remind me of Tijuana where they whistle and pour tequila down your throat. It’s a bit overwhelming, but kinda welcoming at the same time. Personally I think your lies and deceit were clever. And while they made me suspicious of things, as you seemed to have privileged information regarding Farrell and Codemonkey and everybody’s powers, you have a great vote for getting rid of Chris Mac. So please come clean, because with three heroes left, why did you lie so much? What was the reasoning behind it?
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 19, 2020 11:21:53 GMT -8
And bsketchy, I’ve been thinking, it would be of great benefit to the remaining members on team superhero if you would share your reasoning behind the Chris Mac vote last week.
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Post by bsketchy on May 19, 2020 11:54:09 GMT -8
Through outside communication channels, I was made aware of the following results from Night 6: - Stabby attempted to block Mac, and received the result "action failed."
- Merlot followed you, and received the result that you visited me.
Up to that point, Mac Murdock had only been providing "results" of powers that were already confirmed elsewhere. Stabby's failed block attempt really sealed the deal for me.
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Post by Stabby on May 19, 2020 12:32:18 GMT -8
I think there were two-three main reasons why I lied so much.
1. Early on the game, I suspected there might be a spy in our group, but I had no evidence to back it up. I trusted Merlot and others, while I didn't trust StinkyPete. For Bsketchy, Farrell, and Codemonkey who was curious why there was a secret communication channel without StinkyPete. That was the main reason why.
2. The second reason was I honestly thought the following was the last 4 villians: Erok, Buzzfly, Mike and Chris Mac. After having a public discourse with you Mike, I was leaning you away from being a villian, but I still couldn't 100% trust you at the time. So I choose to only feed you partial information.
When Erok turned out to NOT be a villain, I decided to give you all of my data, with Bsketchy abridged as a protector. This was to mostly "protect" Bsketchy and try to provide a convincing lie at the same time. I informed Bsketchy of this.
After Buzzfly died and turned out to be a hero, this was the only move I could not make sense from the villains. Were they close to the endgame and needed to get rid of Buzzfly to secure it? Were they that confidence that they don't need to scapegoat Buzzfly? I don't know the answer to this, but this got me worried.
I didn't trust anyone at this point (Except Farrell and CodeMonkey, and maybe Bsketchy), so i told half truths and mostly lies to catch someone out.
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Post by merlotbrougham on May 19, 2020 13:50:51 GMT -8
Why is Mike working so hard to make sure everyone else responds before he claims, especially as a blocker? It's almost as though he needs to get that information so he can spin the narrative to fit his claim.
The remaining villain would seem to have the ability to alter night results, unless there was something else you lied about that needs clearing up, Stabby?
Last night I tracked Stabby. My result was Stabby "visited no one".
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 19, 2020 14:14:29 GMT -8
Why is Mike working so hard to make sure everyone else responds before he claims, especially as a blocker? It's almost as though he needs to get that information so he can spin the narrative to fit his claim. The remaining villain would seem to have the ability to alter night results, unless there was something else you lied about that needs clearing up, Stabby? Last night I tracked Stabby. My result was Stabby "visited no one". Stabby, I think your lying and conniving is a breath of fresh air. I could tell that you've been dishonest, and I haven't been entirely cooperative with you. I've never had the feeling that you have been entirely on the up and up. Good lord, nobody has had the feeling that you've been honest. Neither myself or Bsketchy or Codemonkey or Stinky. Except Merlot. He's repeated a few times to me that you have been on the level, which in my book makes him suspect. In your original data dump to me, you had Merlot as a super stealth person visiting Stinky Pete, and from Stinky's epitaph, we see that his action was blocked that night. Can we make sense of who blocked him that night? Your "trusted" statement states " Merlot visited StinkyPete. He visited no one. (Trusted Statement, consitent with data)"Stinky's more trusted statement says that he got "blocked" on night 4 " Attempt to watch Annie but "Your action was blocked!"" Since there has been discussion of Merlot of whether Merlot has super stealth or not" the claim is he visited Stinky and would have saw who actually blocked Stinky. Which it had to be allegedly you, me, or Chris Mac. Your original data was faulty in this. Which suggests that Merlot should have known that Chris Mac had this power...and he should have either corrected the record or means he falsified the data. I'm not too sure what to make of this. Except that Merlot visited Trebec on Night 2, and said that Trebec visited Ron. During this time, Trebec had the kiss of death. Just for the record, has it been confirmed that villains with the kiss of death can do two things? Where?... While I have never cared for coordinating who had the "kiss of death". In hindsight, your plan to have me block Buzzfly would have had me "visiting" him that same night. I didn't, and Merlot never seemed to use this as vindication that is wasn't me as a means of having trust. Additionally, in reviewing our dialogues, he always seemed to want me to volunteer what I saw, and has been shifty in giving me details. Therefore, at this point, my logical deduction for the villain is Merlot as he seemed to not want to volunteer more than was needed and is certain that bsketchy is not a villain and has told me multiple times that Stabby is on the level. Merlot is my top suspect mainly because he "trusts" stabby, and I would like to hear what he says regarding these claims that his superpower isn't what he says it is. So the question to Merlot of "what did you do last night?" is important... So to fulfill my end of the bargain....And, not because I'm trying to spin narrative (I declared way early I like mcgyver like thinking)... Last night, I blocked Stabby because he is a duplicitous liar, but maybe, not necessarily a villain, kinda like an undercover cop. With Merlot claiming to have seen stabby visited no one, how can we make sense of this when I blocked stabby and my action was successful. Plus Merlot has told me that he thinks Stabby is on the level. No way, I never got that feeling regarding Stabby. Bsketchy? Stabby? Merlot?
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Post by merlotbrougham on May 19, 2020 14:26:41 GMT -8
For the record, My night 2 result was "StinkyPete visited no one or was blocked", and I shared that result in full at the time with those I trusted.
The reason I haven't been giving you any information was because I didn't trust you and we started communicating at the point I as hoping Mac was the last villain. Then it turned out he wasn't.
You're trying to throw shade wherever you can now. You're saying you blocked stabby last night because he is a duplicitous liar, which isn't something you ever said to me, and none of us learned that Stabby lied about anything until today. So how was it that he was a duplicitous liar last night? Are you a fortune teller?
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 19, 2020 14:34:46 GMT -8
This is important to know so thank you for sharing.
Admittedly, it's been a lot harder than I thought to come up with a good gut feel on who the final villain is. Logically, I could sense that Stabby couldn't have been trusted from my end. He's been too shifty. And I kinda get the feel that bsketchy is so ameable that he could be it. I figured, as a hero, I would start saying ameable things to everyone, in a vein appeal to live another week.
Stabby has been frustrating to deal with.
Stabby provided me with data that stated "
"xxx Merlot visited Trebec. Trebec visited Ron. (Impossile Scenario)"
So, how can we make sense of this discrepancy between what you say, and what he said, and the fact that you saw Stabby "visit no one"last night, when I know for a fact that I blocked him
Is this the game mechanics, or did I screw the pooch by blocking stabby? Or can it be something else?
I hope that clear heads can prevail and make sense of this
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Post by merlotbrougham on May 19, 2020 14:43:53 GMT -8
On the night I tracked Trebec, Annie was still in play and switching people. I assume my result was tampered with. Second, what is the discrepancy between "stabby visited no one..." because he was blocked?
First you say I am the villain, then you try to say Stabby is the villain, and now that I won't take the bait on Stabby, you're trying to float Bsketchy as the villain. Right now, I think it's Mike.
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Post by Stabby on May 19, 2020 14:52:46 GMT -8
Stabby, I think your lying and conniving is a breath of fresh air. I could tell that you've been dishonest, and I haven't been entirely cooperative with you. I've never had the feeling that you have been entirely on the up and up. Good lord, nobody has had the feeling that you've been honest. Neither myself or Bsketchy or Codemonkey or Stinky. Except Merlot. He's repeated a few times to me that you have been on the level, which in my book makes him suspect. To be fair, I actually didn't lie to Merlot almost the entire game. I only started lying to him on Night 7. I privately told Bsketchy, Farrell, and Codemonkey that I would block Merlot and to not be shocked when I tried. I lied to Merlot saying I was going to go block you and advised him to watch me. Stabby, In your original data dump to me, you had Merlot as a super stealth person visiting Stinky Pete, and from Stinky's epitaph, we see that his action was blocked that night. Can we make sense of who blocked him that night? Your "trusted" statement states " Merlot visited StinkyPete. He visited no one. (Trusted Statement, consitent with data)"Stinky's more trusted statement says that he got "blocked" on night 4 " Attempt to watch Annie but "Your action was blocked!"" Since there has been discussion of Merlot of whether Merlot has super stealth or not" the claim is he visited Stinky and would have saw who actually blocked Stinky. Which it had to be allegedly you, me, or Chris Mac. Your original data was faulty in this. Which suggests that Merlot should have known that Chris Mac had this power...and he should have either corrected the record or means he falsified the data. I'm not too sure what to make of this. On the original data dump I gave you, the reason why I wrote down trusted statement is that I trusted Merlot. At the time, and I didn't see any contradiction. Based on the game mechanics. Evan has stated (I think in day 2) that if person A night action failed, and person B was to watch person A. Person B will see "Person A visited no one." Action failed and Action being blocked are treated in the same way. In my original data on night 4, I "assumed" there were only 2 blockers. Since Annie was alive and could transport people, it was possible that she made Stabby or Mike block StinkyPete indirectly. However, since we now know Mac is also a blocker, we can also assume Mac could also have blocked StinkyPete on night 4. To answer on who actually StinkyPete? I don't know for sure. Annie being alive makes things difficult to say anything with certainty. Also I am failing to see how Merlot would known Chris Mac had this power if he was a good guy. You're going to need to spell that out for me. Except that Merlot visited Trebec on Night 2, and said that Trebec visited Ron. During this time, Trebec had the kiss of death. Just for the record, has it been confirmed that villains with the kiss of death can do two things? Where?... Here is a correction. Villians can use their "original" night power and "inherited" night power at the same time. Trebec only had the kiss of death, so she can only do one thing. Annie had her original power AND kiss of death, meaning she could transport and kill someone. Mac had his original power to block people night action and to kill someone. The source is from Evan. I've asked many clarifications from him in PMs... I'll do it here. Evan, can villians use both their original night power and kiss of death at the same time?
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Post by Stabby on May 19, 2020 15:02:28 GMT -8
For the record, My night 2 result was "StinkyPete visited no one or was blocked", and I shared that result in full at the time with those I trusted. Wait, what? Bsketchy, do you even remember this being mention in private messages? This is your statement on the Day 3 Discussion: So no one used there powers, nothing to report? Yes. I used my powers on both nights. I have super-stealth. I have the ability to target someone at night and see who they visit. On night one, I watched Stabby visit Farrell. On night two I watched Trebec visit Wednesday/Ron. Wednesday/Ron says his powers failed on night 2. You do as well. Does anyone else have any information gained from their powers to start piecing any of this together? What is your power, son, and who did you try to use it on that it failed? Like I said on day 2, If everybody claims what they did and the result they got, we may be able to piece it together enough to find the liars and have a better chance of hitting a villain before we reach the point of no return.
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