Stabby
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Post by Stabby on May 19, 2020 16:21:50 GMT -8
Here are mine: Night 1-Cant remember what happened against Chris Mac (its tough to find) Night 2-Action Successful Against Ron Night 3-Visited B sketchy (no response Night 4-Action successful against Farrell) Night 5-No action Night 6-Action failed against bsketchyNight 7--Action Successful with Stabby Night 1: Track Stabby - "You saw stabby visiting Farrell" Night 2: Track Trebec - "You see Trebec visiting Zac/Wednesday/Ron (same person)" Night 3: Track Farrell - "You see that Farrell didn't visit anyone in the night" Night 4: Track StinkyPete - "Stinkypete visited no one or was blocked" Night 5: Track StinkyPete - "Pete visited buzzfly." Night 6: Track Mike - "Mike visited bsketchy"Night 7: Track Stabby - "Stabby visited no one" There is a huge discrepancy on the night 6 results between Mike and Merlot. Recall the game rules that I quoted earlier: Good question. When you perform an action on someone, you visit them. So if I'm following player A and they role block player B, I will see player A visiting player B. If someone is following player B and player B is roleblocked, they will see player B visiting no one. To clarify: seeing a player visit no one is different than having your action fail.
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Post by Stabby on May 19, 2020 16:34:58 GMT -8
Where is the discrepancy? It is this:
1. If Mike night action failed, then he either got role-blocked or visited someone with an unblockable power/status. a) Bsketchy does not have the 'kiss of death'. Gazette confirms Mac had the power. b) We can only conclude that Mike got role-blocked. c) This means that it's impossible for Merlot to see Mike visited anyone. According to the rules.
2. If Merlot actually saw Mike visit Bsketchy, then there is impossible for Mike's night action to fail.
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 19, 2020 16:43:50 GMT -8
Something tells me there is a juicy accusation that comes with this line of reasoning...
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Post by merlotbrougham on May 19, 2020 16:53:39 GMT -8
Where is the discrepancy? It is this: 1. If Mike night action failed, then he either got role-blocked or visited someone with an unblockable power/status. a) Bsketchy does not have the 'kiss of death'. Gazette confirms Mac had the power. b) We can only conclude that Mike got role-blocked. c) This means that it's impossible for Merlot to see Mike visited anyone. According to the rules. 2. If Merlot actually saw Mike visit Bsketchy, then there is impossible for Mike's night action to fail. I agree with your logic. I wrote my result exactly as it was given to me. After the fact, I asked Mike what action he took on night six and he said he blocked bsketchy and it failed (May 17, 9:46AM EDT).
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Post by merlotbrougham on May 19, 2020 16:55:55 GMT -8
Rather, just so there isn't any misunderstanding, I actually asked him to tell me "who you actually visited and how the result you got was worded", and was told "bsketchy and it failed"
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Stabby
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Post by Stabby on May 19, 2020 17:01:41 GMT -8
So the question is, who is lying? Mike or Merlot?
Is Mike lying? Well, he could only be blocked by two other people. Mac or myself. But if you follow the Night 7 results. I am 100% not a villain, and I have no reason to lie at this point. We learn the only other possible blocker is Mac.
Mac blocking Mike can explain Mike's night results. In going to assumption territory, we can assume villains will only target heroes, not villains at this late stage of the game. If Chris Mac targeted Mike, then it is hell of a good chance the Mike was blocked because he is a hero.
The chances of Mike lying is super low.
Is Merlot lying? This is only if Mike lied about his night result. But if that is true, who did Mac block, if any? The best move for a villain would probably be to block Merlot, who can actually track another person's action. However, Mac opted to not block Merlot and went for either myself or Mike.
Mac "seemed" to know his time was up since I told Merlot and Bsketchy that I was going to block Mac, it makes sense that the only logical choice left is to block is Mike.
On top of that, there is no other person who can claim a "transporter" role or a "forger role". This means that Merlot Night 2 and Night 5 actions cannot be resolved. There isn't anyone alive who can resolve those discrepancies, except that he is lying.
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Stabby
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Post by Stabby on May 19, 2020 17:05:23 GMT -8
Unless Bsketchy is secretly the villain. I told him that if he is, he wins.
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Post by Stabby on May 19, 2020 17:07:15 GMT -8
Anyways, this is a breakdown of my analysis.
Merlot please convince me why I shouldn't vote for you.
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Post by Evan on May 19, 2020 17:08:28 GMT -8
Shit, I'm the reason for the discrepancy. Please hold on, trying to fix.
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Stabby
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Post by Stabby on May 19, 2020 17:09:13 GMT -8
Shit, I'm the reason for the discrepancy. Please hold on, trying to fix. ಠ_ಠ
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 19, 2020 17:17:02 GMT -8
Unless Bsketchy is secretly the villain. I told him that if he is, he wins. I kinda like this idea a lot!! Because in villain world, bsketchy played things perfectly, whereas all of our mistakes and imperfect gameplay seem to be in earnest. Think about it. What would be the differences in this stage of the game between a potential superhero bsketchy, and a supervillain bsketchy. I think it shouldn't be ruled out that bsketchy fits the mold still of a supervillain.
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Post by merlotbrougham on May 19, 2020 17:23:57 GMT -8
Anyways, this is a breakdown of my analysis. Merlot please convince me why I shouldn't vote for you. I shared my results truthfully and honestly as they were happening with people I trusted. I pointed out the dodgy night results as I was getting them. If I was a villain, why wouldn't I just make it fit the scenario? I had a private topic with other heroes that told me their night actions. I could just as easily have come up with something better. Not to mention the fact that I made the detailed case on Trebec, I'm was one of the strongest voices pushing Annie and I don't remember ever giving Mac a pass. I had been discussing specifically with you, Stabby, the possibility of a redirector type role because I was not understanding my results. I have no problem saying "I am I hero". Does it make sense to you that a villain would do that? Beyond that, I have told you everything I know, and I don't know how to PROVE to you that I have been truthful, but I have been.
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Post by merlotbrougham on May 19, 2020 17:40:58 GMT -8
I received a message from Evan correcting my result. He says "Night 6 Mike visited no one"
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Stabby
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Post by Stabby on May 19, 2020 17:42:53 GMT -8
I received a message from Evan correcting my result. He says "Night 6 Mike visited no one" (┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻
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Post by merlotbrougham on May 19, 2020 17:50:15 GMT -8
By the way, in light of this correction, I asked Evan to confirm my night 5 results where I tracked Stinky to Buzzfly, even though he said he visited Mike (There are plenty of Mikes in Mildville).
Evan responded that this was also in need of correction, and my result should have said:
"Stinky pete visited Mike"
The point of this post is to say I no longer believe there was any redirecting going on at night after Annie died.
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Post by Stabby on May 19, 2020 17:52:38 GMT -8
By the way, in light of this correction, I asked Evan to confirm my night 5 results where I tracked Stinky to Buzzfly, even though he said he visited Mike (There are plenty of Mikes in Mildville). Evan responded that this was also in need of correction, and my result should have said: "Stinky pete visited Mike" The point of this post is to say I no longer believe there was any redirecting going on at night after Annie died. My head hurts lol
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Stabby
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Post by Stabby on May 19, 2020 17:58:14 GMT -8
I don't have any answers. Fight among yourselves.
I'm already proven 100% hero based on everyone's night actions on night 7. Remember that.
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 19, 2020 18:01:14 GMT -8
I think if we reflect, we’ve all been going around in circles undoing our dishonesty. Bsketchy has been tracking all along and playing things cool not venturing into making accusations. At this point I sense that stabby and Merlot are heroes, and I want to explore the idea that bsketchy has played the role of double agent scum villain perfectly.
At this juncture he is my leading villain and since he has given us very little to accuse him with and seems to be in line with the facts of everything, he’s aroused my suspicions
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Post by Evan on May 19, 2020 18:13:23 GMT -8
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Post by bsketchy on May 19, 2020 18:16:16 GMT -8
To be clear, your case against me is that I've done nothing to arouse suspicion? I mean, I get it, but I'm also the only one here who never had the privilege of performing any night actions. Merlot and I have been discussing all the game activity almost daily. He's had far more direct interaction with me than anyone.
Merlot - do you agree with Mike's claim that I have done a perfect job of not arousing suspicion since day 1?
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