annie2
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Day Two
Apr 25, 2020 13:14:45 GMT -8
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Post by annie2 on Apr 25, 2020 13:14:45 GMT -8
Was some advocating for not voting this week?
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Day Two
Apr 25, 2020 14:40:42 GMT -8
Post by stinkypete on Apr 25, 2020 14:40:42 GMT -8
1. As a group, the heroes advantage is our votes, because that's the only way we can get rid of villains. There's likely not a vigilante "power" (i.e. A hero with a night kill ability), or two people would have died overnight. 2. If we're not voting, regardless of what we do with our night actions, the villains are free to kill one hero every night until they even the numbers and win. At a certain point, we would have to kill perfectly every consecutve day without hitting a single hero. Example: Assume there are 6 villains out of 18 players. That would mean there are 12 heros. In this example, they only need to kill 6 heroes in order to win. So lets say we don't vote to kill for 5 days, and they only need one more to win. In order to stop that from happening, would HAVE to kill a villian in order to survive until the next day, and every day after that, so the pressure's on. Without enough information, we are shooting completely blind. There are two types of key information can accumulate as heroes in order to flush out the vilians: Who people choose to vote for and why, as well as our night actions. We are completely cutting off one source of information by not voting. 3. If we're not voting, our only other power in this game is our nights abilities, but nobody knows the entire picture. If everybody claims what they did and the result they got, we may be able to piece it together enough to find the liars and have a better chance of hitting a villain before we reach the point of no return. Thoughts? Re #2 I’ve been thinking about the same thing - how long can we wait to vote until it’s a problem? The example assumes there are 6 villains but we won’t know for sure until the end (but it’s probably 6). So this week does it make sense to vote someone out in order to get more information? Or can we afford one more week? I’m definitely a good superhero btw 🦸🏼♀️ It's a good point. Keeping the timing in mind, we almost have to vote if we feel we can make a case for > 50/50 chance, and hope that as we progress we get enough information to meet higher bars like 80%. My DMs are open, I'm not much of an outreach person but I would like to trust someone enough to exchange power info and coordinate. I made my case after looking back at the first week posts, in the Voting Thread. Gotta remember Blink by Malcolm Gladwell 9 votes (or 8 if the double vote person joins us) are needed. It's cool that it requires a greater degree of consensus than before. You have to decide if it's greater than 50% based on the available observations. |
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Day Two
Apr 25, 2020 19:49:57 GMT -8
Post by Mike Lenin on Apr 25, 2020 19:49:57 GMT -8
The villains know who the good guys are. The good guys essentially don't have to hide their role at all, so I think this plan of declaring you're not a villain is a good idea. If I were Mayor that power would sound like a nightmare, but there's certainly no cost to hope for it, so may as well cast the net I am not a villain. I am a hero. Always have been except for that time before they invented laws. I gotta say I'm leaning toward Occam's Razor to explain Wednesday's behavior. I may have been looking for easy answers in some reactions that were merely born of frustration. But Wednesday is still an attractive sacrifice because of the slightly elevated probability and the limited power. People who were rallying for random elimination last week and then got real quiet all of a sudden should get their due probing. It would be almost like the U-formation tactic to coax a mark into advocating that policy and then to leave them holding the bag Merlot? Buzz? Mike? You have any reason to dispute this characterization? Definitely ok with voting out Wednesday. There is something about their argument that doesn't sit pretty. It's a feeling that I get. I tend to tune out to long winded rationales for behavior, ever since I saw that the judge in my vandalism case wasn't interested in it. So with Wednesday, I'm not sure how righteous their indignation is, and I'm willing to vote for them this week. It will be sad if their last words, "I told you so", but I don't get that feeling that will be the case. |
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Day Two
Apr 25, 2020 20:03:30 GMT -8
Post by Ron Wednesday on Apr 25, 2020 20:03:30 GMT -8
If I were Mayor that power would sound like a nightmare, but there's certainly no cost to hope for it, so may as well cast the net I am not a villain. I am a hero. Always have been except for that time before they invented laws. I gotta say I'm leaning toward Occam's Razor to explain Wednesday's behavior. I may have been looking for easy answers in some reactions that were merely born of frustration. But Wednesday is still an attractive sacrifice because of the slightly elevated probability and the limited power. People who were rallying for random elimination last week and then got real quiet all of a sudden should get their due probing. It would be almost like the U-formation tactic to coax a mark into advocating that policy and then to leave them holding the bag Merlot? Buzz? Mike? You have any reason to dispute this characterization? Definitely ok with voting out Wednesday. There is something about their argument that doesn't sit pretty. It's a feeling that I get. I tend to tune out to long winded rationales for behavior, ever since I saw that the judge in my vandalism case wasn't interested in it. So with Wednesday, I'm not sure how righteous their indignation is, and I'm willing to vote for them this week. It will be sad if their last words, "I told you so", but I don't get that feeling that will be the case. Look, if killed, it will 100% be my last words and then maybe you can take some actions against potential bad guys. Forcing votes forces sides and real discussion. Status quo only helps bad guys. This logic is good, but I've said my piece on it a ton of times and it's silly to keep arguing since like I said, voting me out will likely force people to take sides. Then when I'm a good guy, you can look bad at all those haters and have try to walk back on their words. So again for clarity's sake on why you should kill someone and not me. Bad guys will not be loud, they will be on the sidelines voting here and there, pushing in the mob's direction or pushing doing nothing at all. This was often the strategy taken, plus have a few be nearly entirely silent. Either way, this will play out. I've stayed pretty consistent on the this from the start and live or die, I'll be sticking to my beliefs. |
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Day Two
Apr 25, 2020 22:07:46 GMT -8
Post by stinkypete on Apr 25, 2020 22:07:46 GMT -8
Okay, we have to converge on something, this is where we have the most objective information, and sometimes you have to take a machete to all the little excuses and qualifications and plausible doubts. I vote to eliminate Wednesday. Just look at this. I couldn't find any basis for this post in the thread it was posted in. The only other person whose post could be construed as "wanting to see death" was Sarah's. So "a reasonable amount of people wanting to see death" is 2 people out of 18. Maybe three if you take Merlot's first post seriously. ^^That was a day after this post: I'm trained by an adversarial relationship with cable news to spot this attempt to work the perception of public opinion like clay Awwwee thanks pete! Can I use this on my application for cable news??? I'd make a great cable new personality. Let me explain team, this is all really quite simple. It's kind of like. . . gunna find my baby, gunna hold her tight. Gunna grab some afternoon delight. My motto's always been when it's right, it's right, why wait until the middle of a cold dark night. (all together now crew) When everything's a little clearer in the light of day. And we know the night is always gonna be there any way. (now go high everyone!) Thinkin' of you's workin' up my appetite, looking forward to a little afternoon delight, rubbin sticks and stones together makes the sparks ingite and the thought of lovin' you is getting so exciting. Sky rockets in flight. (beooooooo!)Afternoon delight (yooouoooop) - Ron Burgandy (Yes, I could be #worstbadguyever or also #sillyAF, so like burning on trump, movies, etc. . .) This meltdown and avatar change gives me even more confidence in my vote tbh |
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Post by Ron Wednesday on Apr 25, 2020 22:28:11 GMT -8
Awwwee thanks pete! Can I use this on my application for cable news??? I'd make a great cable new personality. Let me explain team, this is all really quite simple. It's kind of like. . . gunna find my baby, gunna hold her tight. Gunna grab some afternoon delight. My motto's always been when it's right, it's right, why wait until the middle of a cold dark night. (all together now crew) When everything's a little clearer in the light of day. And we know the night is always gonna be there any way. (now go high everyone!) Thinkin' of you's workin' up my appetite, looking forward to a little afternoon delight, rubbin sticks and stones together makes the sparks ingite and the thought of lovin' you is getting so exciting. Sky rockets in flight. (beooooooo!)Afternoon delight (yooouoooop) - Ron Burgandy (Yes, I could be #worstbadguyever or also #sillyAF, so like burning on trump, movies, etc. . .) This meltdown and avatar change gives me even more confidence in my vote tbh Clearly you've got your very thoughtful opinions here and my awesome new icon isn't for you. Maybe not a jazz flute fan?  I doubt watching a silly movie on saturday night counts as meltdown, but my meltdown bar has been raised recently. Stay classy mildville. |
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Day Two
May 5, 2020 20:03:08 GMT -8
Post by stinkypete on May 5, 2020 20:03:08 GMT -8
Overview of Son's plan and reactions Amer was a hero and he had advocated for not voting if I recall. I still think we need everyone to publicly declare in the open that they are not a villain. Then the hero's may be able to use their powers in some way to try and figure out who may be lying. Without this we have no more information than we had last week really. I am not a villain. Either way, I'll say it as well. I am not a villain. The villains know who the good guys are. The good guys essentially don't have to hide their role at all, so I think this plan of declaring you're not a villain is a good idea. If I were Mayor that power would sound like a nightmare, but there's certainly no cost to hope for it, so may as well cast the net I am not a villain. I am a hero. Always have been except for that time before they invented laws. I gotta say I'm leaning toward Occam's Razor to explain Wednesday's behavior. I may have been looking for easy answers in some reactions that were merely born of frustration. But Wednesday is still an attractive sacrifice because of the slightly elevated probability and the limited power. People who were rallying for random elimination last week and then got real quiet all of a sudden should get their due probing. It would be almost like the U-formation tactic to coax a mark into advocating that policy and then to leave them holding the bag Merlot? Buzz? Mike? You have any reason to dispute this characterization? The villains know who the good guys are. The good guys essentially don't have to hide their role at all, so I think this plan of declaring you're not a villain is a good idea. But is it possible for someone to even use their power to decide if these statements are indeed true? Don't they use their powers at night? Would they have to use some sort of "look into the past" power or something to decide if a statement made at one specific point in time was true or not? Either way, I'll say it as well. I am not a villain. First things first: I am good. I don't believe anyone has the power to see good or evil, but I could be wrong. Another part of the mystique of all this is none of us know what anyone else can do. Based on the known powers, identifying a liar will take a bit of luck, and would go something like this: 1) Player A states they are good 2) Player B watches Player C at night, and sees that Player A paid them a visit 3) In the morning, Player C is dead Now Player B knows that Player A was the only person who visited the hero who died last night, identifies them as a dirty dirty liar, and shouts it from the tallest building in Mildtropolis. That being said, I don't exactly know how the villains kill. Is there a villain vote? Is there one assigned killer? Do they rotate? Things should start to become more and more clear as the game goes on, and the population dwindles. From what has been posted, it appears there are no good leads on who visited Amer last night. I have nothing more to offer, as my power doesn't allow me to watch or track anyone. Personally, I haven't seen anything that provides a good argument for or against any one person. Well, except Amer. I'm 100% sure he was good. Won't everyone say they are a hero? I don't see how this helps... But I'll do it. I'm good. Won't everyone say they are a hero? I don't see how this helps... But I'll do it. I'm good. It’s based on an assumed power...something to the effect of seeing if a player lied on a specific post. I’m not a villain but I don’t think it’s gonna be that easy... (How right you were) I'm a hero. I thinking voting for someone who advocated voting last week is a good choice. Its better than randomly killing someone. I think Wed and Bsketchy fit that bill. Merlot did vote as well but he voted for Bsketchy and he seems to be a newbie. Yeah, confused by this 'say we're not a villian thing' but sure. I'm a hero here was well, which maybe Amer even helped prove this? Do we know if bad guys have powers like us? Like why would they want to check on people's visitations and such since they know who everyone is. Plus, double votes and protecting people all seem like pretty powerful when they can coordinate all their moves. It they do have powers like that, seems pretty broken. I'll still never to understand why advocating against inactions puts a target on me. Clearly each week we get fewer good guys and our powers haven't revealed much. But it's fine too, if you kill me, then I'll be revealed as good and I can't really be that against it since even that would at least force people to vote which I've been advocating from the beggining. Plus, maybe then you can go back and find the subtle lurkers pushing inaction or killing me but not being loud about it, which are often more likely the bad guys. Being a true stickler for gameplay, secrets and abilities are usually kept a secret in games like Mildville (Werewolf, Town of Salem, etc) for a reason. Any person can claim to be any role and have any super power. With that being said, I want fellow citizens to know that I am good and believe in the heroes of Mildville. 1. As a group, the heroes advantage is our votes, because that's the only way we can get rid of villains. There's likely not a vigilante "power" (i.e. A hero with a night kill ability), or two people would have died overnight. 2. If we're not voting, regardless of what we do with our night actions, the villains are free to kill one hero every night until they even the numbers and win. At a certain point, we would have to kill perfectly every consecutve day without hitting a single hero. Example: Assume there are 6 villains out of 18 players. That would mean there are 12 heros. In this example, they only need to kill 6 heroes in order to win. So lets say we don't vote to kill for 5 days, and they only need one more to win. In order to stop that from happening, would HAVE to kill a villian in order to survive until the next day, and every day after that, so the pressure's on. Without enough information, we are shooting completely blind. There are two types of key information can accumulate as heroes in order to flush out the vilians: Who people choose to vote for and why, as well as our night actions. We are completely cutting off one source of information by not voting. 3. If we're not voting, our only other power in this game is our nights abilities, but nobody knows the entire picture. If everybody claims what they did and the result they got, we may be able to piece it together enough to find the liars and have a better chance of hitting a villain before we reach the point of no return. Thoughts? Re #2 I’ve been thinking about the same thing - how long can we wait to vote until it’s a problem? The example assumes there are 6 villains but we won’t know for sure until the end (but it’s probably 6). So this week does it make sense to vote someone out in order to get more information? Or can we afford one more week? I’m definitely a good superhero btw 🦸🏼♀️ Then there was "2nd vote" thread, which ended in this ok, non delcarers left. If i missed you just declare again, people have been posting all over the place. Zac Judy jesse neutrino stabby mike which errantly included Zac and was followed by Mike declaring. So we have Neutrino, Stabby, and Codemonkey who didn't play along |
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May 11, 2020 20:28:03 GMT -8