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Post by Evan on Apr 29, 2020 15:28:33 GMT -8
If you successfully do something to someone, you "visit" them
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annie2
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Post by annie2 on Apr 29, 2020 15:34:12 GMT -8
So if the mission failed than you failed to visit them?
Any way "visitation" is not a power.
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Post by Evan on Apr 29, 2020 15:38:56 GMT -8
So if the mission failed than you failed to visit them? Any way "visitation" is not a power. Yes. I had to double-check with my panel of Mafia veterans, so this is very standard.
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Post by Ron Wednesday on Apr 29, 2020 16:34:39 GMT -8
So, then Annie, does 'switching' switch who they choose to visit with their powers or who the powers are used on? And presumably that counts as you visiting both the people?
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Post by annie2 on Apr 29, 2020 16:46:17 GMT -8
Nice. Change the subject when you get called out. That's not an obvious tactic or anything.
As I understand it, the switch would have thrown your action on whoever Judy targeted and vice versa. The Mayor had to explain it to me a few times and it is still a little murky.
How about you explain your "visitation" power? Oh, and this is the behavior that makes me think you are fishy.
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Post by Mac Murdock on Apr 29, 2020 18:27:42 GMT -8
I just cast my vote for Ron/Wednesday. I'm 85% sure this is a good idea. My decision is based more on Ron's flailing defense vs. the arguments levied against them.
Mostly I think we just need to vote...for whoever you want (obviously you know where I'm leaning) but just put something down.
I know this tact little unsavory but we're hemorrhaging numbers. Yes, we could kill a hero but there is ZERO chance we kill a villain any other way.
I also like this because it puts people on record. With enough data, voting records could help us make more informed decisions.
If I'm missing a reason we should not vote I would like to hear it.
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Post by Ron Wednesday on Apr 30, 2020 7:56:25 GMT -8
I just cast my vote for Ron/Wednesday. I'm 85% sure this is a good idea. My decision is based more on Ron's flailing defense vs. the arguments levied against them. Mostly I think we just need to vote...for whoever you want (obviously you know where I'm leaning) but just put something down. I know this tact little unsavory but we're hemorrhaging numbers. Yes, we could kill a hero but there is ZERO chance we kill a villain any other way. I also like this because it puts people on record. With enough data, voting records could help us make more informed decisions. If I'm missing a reason we should not vote I would like to hear it. I'd like to point out that your arguments are the exact ones I've put forth from the very start, which drew this insane ire against me. . . There is no 'flailing', other than these super long incohesive reasoning for killing me. It's hard to hit a moving target argument in between meetings. If you are actually trying to use logic here, it's pretty easy to see I'm not a bad guy based on my posting. I've done nothing but attempt what you are here, to get us coordinating with some strategy, while trying to lower the noise on these silly attacks, not magnify them. And if I add any levity or change my character cause it's fun or have two posts wording doesn't match, then I'm somehow evil? That's not great reasoning and only benefits the people who know I'm good. So yes, killing me is going to put the good guy team in a SUPER bad place. Odds are there are vets in the bad guy groups either way, so ask yourself which is the better stategy: 1. Have one of the bad buys encourage strategy early and post wildly enough to draw a bunch of attention but then attempt to defend myself. . . for the purpose of. . .losing a bad guy? 2. Have one of the bad guys pick a fight with the first person suggesting anything different and then attempt to bring that up right after anyone starts discussing strategy with long posts. Causing distaction and delay. Let's work the logic. Let's say it's #1 above and I'm on the bad team and so it's clear I've been a target after day one. If that's the case and the odds are against me overall, why wouldn't more bad guys come out against me in masse and then can claim the case of rightousness after my death? They arn't because they know if I die, i'll be revealed good, and all of them will be suspect, so I imagine they have entered slowly or just a few to encourage the mob. The strategy of the bad team is always to let the mob kill itself or to position one or more of them as 'trusted'. The #2 above fits this perfectly, as a way to prevent us discussing the powers and generally just delay. There is only so much I can do to explain this here, so if you do kill me, at least I've already stated the basic thing I'll say when I die about how people got drawn in.
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Post by Ron Wednesday on Apr 30, 2020 8:12:20 GMT -8
Nice. Change the subject when you get called out. That's not an obvious tactic or anything. As I understand it, the switch would have thrown your action on whoever Judy targeted and vice versa. The Mayor had to explain it to me a few times and it is still a little murky. How about you explain your "visitation" power? Oh, and this is the behavior that makes me think you are fishy. How did I change the subject, I did the opposite, which is pretty obvious to anyone looking just a few posts back. I reminded us of the questions we were discussing on powers AND I asnwered the non helpful 'lies' comment. To echo my previous post. . it seems SUPER odd and baiting when everytime we try to clarify powers or work as a group that certain people immediatly bring up minor text things and try derail by forcing me to 'answer or die'. Only one side benefits from this behavior and please good guys ask yourself. . .what would anyone do in this situation? To have stopped talking about powers and written a long posts trying to defend myself from one line 'you are lying' posts? In which case, then the comments about 'tirades' and I get accused of derailing. Or I bring us back to strategy and get jumped on me for changing subject. I'm suprised that people eyeing minor incosistencies don't notice this one above annie did. However, thanks for clarifying the question on powers, it does seem a little murky on how they work and not at all obvious it's all vistiong powers!
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Post by stinkypete on Apr 30, 2020 9:43:39 GMT -8
Every power is visitation basically. You visit the person to use your power which we are sort of guessing is invisibility. Why are you lying, again....? Switching doesn't seem like visting, ressurection doesn't, neither was the thing where they knew each otherwas good I imagine. That's what i was asking to clarify, was it switching who was visited or switching powers.? Mine is the thing where you get to see what someone else is doing, invisilibty, though it hasn't done much so far. What in the world is there to lie about in asking this question? Seriously . . . jumping on top of every bit of wording seems activly trying to confuse rather than help get useful info. Even if you think I'm a bad guy, I'm trying to uncover information, not obfuscate it, which helps us all out. She would show up as visiting both of the people switched. You either need your hand held through everything or were hoping to obfuscate the meaning of a visit. With invisibility you don't see what they're doing, you see who else visits them. Again, you're not really making a strong case that you're an asset to the team if you can't remember your own power If you are a villain, then it's likely another villain has invisibility and you're fronting their observation to get us off the scent of a more useful power for the villains
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Post by stinkypete on Apr 30, 2020 10:05:28 GMT -8
I've done nothing but attempt what you are here, to get us coordinating with some strategy lmao always broaden the category, "Can't believe you're mad that I participated." "If I were a bad guy, wouldn't I simply make no mistakes?" "Long posts are wrong unless I write them." Only one side benefits from this behavior and please good guys ask yourself. . .what would anyone do in this situation? To have stopped talking about powers and written a long posts trying to defend myself from one line 'you are lying' posts? Incredibly, a single post can address multiple subjects, e.g. one per paragraph. And it really is strange how resistant to learning you appear to be, and it's worth an explanation.
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Post by Ron Wednesday on Apr 30, 2020 10:38:21 GMT -8
I've done nothing but attempt what you are here, to get us coordinating with some strategy lmao always broaden the category, "Can't believe you're mad that I participated." "If I were a bad guy, wouldn't I simply make no mistakes?" "Long posts are wrong unless I write them." Only one side benefits from this behavior and please good guys ask yourself. . .what would anyone do in this situation? To have stopped talking about powers and written a long posts trying to defend myself from one line 'you are lying' posts? Incredibly, a single post can address multiple subjects, e.g. one per paragraph. And it really is strange how resistant to learning you appear to be, and it's worth an explanation. I did exactly that . . .and then was called out for it and you continue that trend. I've written like this plenty of times, I was simply pointing out how Annie called me out despite the fact I addressed both. And she setup a situation where 'damned if I do or don't'. You are more than happy to jump on any tiny thing I do, totally ignoring everyone or anythign else. Again, that only benefits the bad guys, not the good. This whole thing that I'm being bad for the good team because I didn't live up to your expecations of clarity is ridiculous. The same filter hasn't been applied to anyone else, it's just very convienent for the bad team have this dominate the talk. I will continue to try to rep for my team and help the good guys best I can, maybe that means not engaging in this stuff here. If I die, I can see at least two people that's obvious absurdity and efficeint bad guy strategy will be apparent, so we will get at least a 2 for 1.
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Post by bsketchy on Apr 30, 2020 12:06:28 GMT -8
So if Stabby visited me on night one, what did he see? Also why did he choose me? Just making sure this doesn't get swept under the rug.
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Post by stinkypete on Apr 30, 2020 12:41:56 GMT -8
Currently the pool of non-voters is a pretty good crowd to hide in. I don't remember if we talked about this already but one useful villain strategy is to run up the clock by relying on low turnout. Until this season, it only took a plurality vote to eliminate someone. If they can stall us and keep people reticent to vote for long enough, they can keep control of death indefinitely, until a surviving Super Stealth or Invisible spots a visit of a killed person and they're trusted enough to point a finger.
If your vote is currently the only vote for your candidate, now's the time to make your case. I'm especially open to a convincing case about Buzzfly for our first elimination as opposed to Wednesday. But you have to make a serious case to persuade the rest of us, not just allude to your subjective sense of priorities. We have a time limit and a huge bar to pass. Voting solo without actively trying to get votes and being ready to pivot if you can't, is basically saying you don't really care whether we pick the most likely villain.
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Post by annie2 on Apr 30, 2020 13:00:06 GMT -8
I chose Buzzfly merely to get a vote out there and picked him because he hadn't posted much. Get rid of the dead weight. But I'm not wedded to this vote. As discussed early on, vote early and change later if needed.
I anticipate changing my vote but am waiting to hear more.
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Post by bsketchy on Apr 30, 2020 13:03:04 GMT -8
Buzzfly fits the same criteria I was using for voting Neutrino, except Buzzfly has been ever so slightly more active. I can get behind a vote for anyone who is very actively watching from the sidelines. stinkypete you already provided a summation of Buzzfly's game-related posts. To that end, I present the entirety of Neutrino's game-related activity: Some people have powers that depend on the dead. So since nobody died before night 1, night 2 may have been the first time they were able to use their powers. As for why I'm active but not posting... I just don't unless I have something valuable to add. Hypothetically speaking, could someone elaborate on what possible powers could "depend on the dead"? As a newb, I'm sincerely asking. Mayor Evan has already asked that we not discuss gameplay with the dead because that ruins the game. So... help me out here. Lastly, has anyone heard from erok? He took over for Judy, right?
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Post by stinkypete on Apr 30, 2020 13:53:36 GMT -8
Buzzfly fits the same criteria I was using for voting Neutrino, except Buzzfly has been ever so slightly more active. I can get behind a vote for anyone who is very actively watching from the sidelines. stinkypete you already provided a summation of Buzzfly's game-related posts. To that end, I present the entirety of Neutrino's game-related activity: Some people have powers that depend on the dead. So since nobody died before night 1, night 2 may have been the first time they were able to use their powers. As for why I'm active but not posting... I just don't unless I have something valuable to add. Hypothetically speaking, could someone elaborate on what possible powers could "depend on the dead"? As a newb, I'm sincerely asking. Mayor Evan has already asked that we not discuss gameplay with the dead because that ruins the game. So... help me out here. Neutrino might know by having it, or by colluding with Villains or Stabby, or by misinterpreting Resurrection, either way let's hear an explanation Neutrino Esquire . But to me the difference between Neutrino's and Buzzfly's activity is that Buzzfly's "Ima hero" post seems like someone being prodded by the villain leader to post, and it strikes me as evasive. New villains usually haven't dealt with the compulsion most humans feel to minimize the volume of their lie. Usually that means couching it between details that are true, but it can also mean using an alternate voice like when Michael Scott says "yeeeesh" instead of "yes" when he's uncomfortable. "Ima" serves as a tiny pressure release valve for the user. This is how a pro does it: Anyway, here is the only post by erok
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Post by Mike Lenin on Apr 30, 2020 14:18:29 GMT -8
I chose Buzzfly merely to get a vote out there and picked him because he hadn't posted much. Get rid of the dead weight. But I'm not wedded to this vote. As discussed early on, vote early and change later if needed. I anticipate changing my vote but am waiting to hear more. Hey Annie, I was wondering what is preventing you from joining the Ron Wednesday lynch mob? I'm not entirely convinced he's a villain, and I could barely comprehend anything Stinky suggests, but the posts are long winded, so I just assume he knows what he's talking about, and everyone else is voting for Ron Wednesday. So yea, are you gonna jump off this cliff with us? Or Can you translate stinky, and perhaps dumb down an argument for Ron Wednesday's innocence for this drunken sailor? I think Ron Wednesday is a bit fishy, and the fact that Stinky is really putting himself out there, I'm with team Stinky on this one, and if stinky is wrong, then Jimminy Cricket, us heroes are really up a river without a paddle!!
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Post by annie2 on Apr 30, 2020 14:46:52 GMT -8
You think i am lot smarter than I am if you think I can translate Stinky.
I am not entirely convinced that Ron is a baddie yet. I'm certainly suspicious but given that we have a few more days, I'd like to see what shakes out.
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Post by Neutrino Esquire on Apr 30, 2020 15:11:19 GMT -8
Neutrino might know by having it, or by colluding with Villains or Stabby, or by misinterpreting Resurrection, either way let's hear an explanation Neutrino Esquire . Yeah, I have a power that depends on the dead. I basically absorb powers from people who died the previous night. Last night, I absorbed Amer's power and used it to spy on Son. Since Son tried to use his power on Annie but it failed, I got a message from Evan saying that "Son visited no one".
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Post by annie2 on Apr 30, 2020 15:16:11 GMT -8
That's a cool power. Are you going to grow a twin out of your side?
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