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Post by Mike Lenin on May 11, 2020 20:09:05 GMT -8
I advise Buzzfly not to post the email, but do declare his information to Stabby. Best practice is to not post the flavorful email I've sent you revealing your power and alliance, as proof of who you are. That's not for any ethical reason, so I'm not going to punish anyone who does it. It's just that I've found, in researching games like these over the past 5 years, that this shifts the gameplay from "logical deduction and social maneuvering," to, "sitting around debating whether the post looks like my writing style," which is way less fun. |
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Post by Buzzfly on May 11, 2020 20:19:21 GMT -8
Post 1 I am not a villain
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 11, 2020 20:22:23 GMT -8
Post 1 I am not a villain This is a very weak denial!! |
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Post by Buzzfly on May 11, 2020 20:31:19 GMT -8
2) I announce that good will always conquer evil.
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Post by Buzzfly on May 11, 2020 20:31:40 GMT -8
3) because evil is
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Post by Buzzfly on May 11, 2020 20:32:04 GMT -8
4) Dumb
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Post by Buzzfly on May 11, 2020 20:32:42 GMT -8
5) Right Mike Lenin. Unless youre just trying to hide behind me, because we know youre the real evil one
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 11, 2020 20:48:41 GMT -8
For those keeping score at home, Buzzfly has a really weak story in attempting to deflect my direct accusations towards him. Albeit, they initially started out as toothless, it's becoming crystal clear in our interactions that we are not playing for the same team.
I wish Stinky was here for the research, but
the smoking gun for Buzzflys's villainy is in the shoutbox.
He posted a response to the Gazette thread, then posted to the shoutbox acting like he didn't know what happened with Annie.
He is a villain because his denials are weak, and strictly on the defensive, without any concrete accusations against me, as I have made plenty against him. Albeit I'm aware that my behavior has been erractic, and although it's a bit outlandish, it is truth seeking towards busting up villainry, and I was spot on with Annie, and joined the mob with Trebec because the reasoning was good.
Buzzfly is weakly tyring to control his own narrative and distract from the overall fact, he makes no reasonable claims of his heroism anywhere.
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 11, 2020 20:54:47 GMT -8
5) Right Mike Lenin. Unless youre just trying to hide behind me, because we know youre the real evil one Oh, interesting, whose "we"??  |
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 11, 2020 21:25:31 GMT -8
Anyways, there is something that I would like to clear the air with because I think it will help us understanding mildville day/night mechanics. I have the power to block, and I attempted to block Farrell on may 8th and it was successful, but then Stinky said he followed me, and he said I did nothing.
There are a few possibilities:
1. It shows how the game mechanics plays out
2. It could be an accounting error
3. I'm lying
The mayor seems to have his hands full running the day night cycle in murdrville...
I ask that Stabby publicly corroborate my information that I gave him as he was the one who accused me as census (not consensus) and fulfill Stinky's last wish. Stinky would have wanted a long elaborate post that is well researched.
So, I'm ok with the accusations, as they're a part of the game, and we have a bit of a wrinklle, But I think it's important for Stabby to be an honest player with this and sound off as much, as his opinion, while not totally authoritative could tip the scales in favor of truth, justice, and a beautiful murderous rampage(on Buzzfly)!
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Post by Farrell on May 11, 2020 21:34:23 GMT -8
Mike, Why did you block me
Why didn’t you vote for trebec?
Why didn’t you vote for Annie?
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Post by Stabby on May 11, 2020 21:43:37 GMT -8
Your wonderful surveyor is back and ready to release some publicly available information!
As you have known, your fellow surveyor has been working hard on collecting census data and information. Unfortunately, as with any data, there are people who would commit fraud and provide forgeries to your poor surveyor. This has left him scratching his head with post-it notes all over his walls, drowning in papers, theories, and drawings of multiple realities to find out which one he lives in.
But enough digression, onto the information!
Although it is fun and I would love to continue to see both Mike Lenin and Buzzfly go for each other throats, what important to me is the data! All I've said is you didn't provide all the correct data. Now if that means you do not wish to verbatim repeat the gods. That is fair. What I seek is data. With data, I can find the patterns.
Now, Mike, it is fine if you don't trust me, as I have lived my former life as a spy. Trust is difficult to earn and easily lost. For those who know of my powers and for Mike to know of his own, I will say that Mike and myself share a similar power, albeit you can even say that it is also different. That being said, I have used my power on Buzzfly the following night, which it did not fail.
What does that mean? With our blessed but lost friend StinkyPete, both you Mike and Buzzfly did not visit our dear friend Stinky Pete last night, and most likely, do not have the kiss.
Do any of these facts absolve either of you from being the villain? No, nor does it absolve me. But as I have every living person claimed roles I am looking for the stinky, smelly, disgusting fish.
Where does this leave us? This leaves 2-3 people where I am left uncertain.
However, what I am most certain is that Erok is evil. He now pops his head out of the woodwork "just to say hi". With a power that would be VERY useful "against" the villains that it hasn't been used yet.
I will let Erok speak for himself. But as of right now, Erok is on top of my kill list. Buzzfly "did the same thing" as Erok.
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 11, 2020 21:52:12 GMT -8
Mike, Why did you block me Why didn’t you vote for trebec? Why didn’t you vote for Annie? Good question. We're in here for truth. I'm suspicious of you and thought it was a saavy move for a villain to jump on the death cab for Annie to deliver a death blow, to allay suspicions. I was enthusiastically on board with the death to Annie thread, and voted first for buzzfly in day 4, while the mob had a really compelling reason for Trebec on a day that I was occupied with teaching. I was supportive for Trebec's bludgeoning in day 4. And definitely shouting out as loud as I can for Death to Annie in day 5! I had initially voted for her, then momentarily pulled back to see if Stabby was an honest player, and then you came out of the woodwork to vote for Annie, before I could. By my taking myself out of the equation temporarily, it was a bit sadistic because I wanted a villain to sacrifice another villain. It's not like I was arguing for people, not to get on board. Unvote Annie temporarily. Stabby asked me for my power and I said that I would divulge if he is willing to put the Coupe de Grace to Annie with his vote and if Annie was a villain. I stand at a moments notice and will revote when stabby votes. So, you delivered Annies final blow, but that didn't necessarily convince me that you were a human. I have been accusatory of everybody...but here's the kicker. On May 6th at 912 am, Merlot made a game changing post regarding Trebec, and it changed everything around. So if you want to know what I was up to, this was a day that I had to bicycle ride to my other apartment because my gardeners were making a bunch of noise and I didn't have enough hot spot data and because it was Thursday, I had prolonged zoom sessions with my high school students from 11-1:25 and then had to prepare for another class at 4pm in race and ethnicity. I didn't have time to digest mildville that day, nor feel compelled to change my vote because it was crystal clear from Merlots post that Trebec was a villain. I wanted to see how others would vote. |
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 11, 2020 21:58:05 GMT -8
Your wonderful surveyor is back and ready to release some publicly available information! As you have known, your fellow surveyor has been working hard on collecting census data and information. Unfortunately, as with any data, there are people who would commit fraud and provide forgeries to your poor surveyor. This has left him scratching his head with post-it notes all over his walls, drowning in papers, theories, and drawings of multiple realities to find out which one he lives in. But enough digression, onto the information! Although it is fun and I would love to continue to see both Mike Lenin and Buzzfly go for each other throats, what important to me is the data! All I've said is you didn't provide all the correct data. Now if that means you do not wish to verbatim repeat the gods. That is fair. What I seek is data. With data, I can find the patterns. Now, Mike, it is fine if you don't trust me, as I have lived my former life as a spy. Trust is difficult to earn and easily lost. For those who know of my powers and for Mike to know of his own, I will say that Mike and myself share a similar power, albeit you can even say that it is also different. That being said, I have used my power on Buzzfly the following night, which it did not fail. What does that mean? With our blessed but lost friend StinkyPete, both you Mike and Buzzfly did not visit our dear friend Stinky Pete last night, and most likely, do not have the kiss. Do any of these facts absolve either of you from being the villain? No, nor does it absolve me. But as I have every living person claimed roles I am looking for the stinky, smelly, disgusting fish. Where does this leave us? This leaves 2-3 people where I am left uncertain. However, what I am most certain is that Erok is evil. He now pops his head out of the woodwork "just to say hi". With a power that would be VERY useful "against" the villains that it hasn't been used yet. I will let Erok speak for himself. But as of right now, Erok is on top of my kill list. Buzzfly "did the same thing" as Erok. I appreciate this, but you laid down the gauntlet and there is a lot of heat on buzzfly, and while at this point Erok needs to sing, for this week, I think we should consider that the villains know a piece of information that heroes don't know. That is when the game is going to end, as they know their count. A simple misvote by heroes can end the game. While I generally eschew playing safely, BUZZFLY with his weak denials, and smoking gun, is a villain, and this post could be seen as a bit of a subtle deflection to shift the mobs focus. Stabby, please declare publicly information that you have. If you are being deceptive, this way if there are discrepancies with what you say, and what heroes told you, they can corroborate or call you out. |
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Post by Stabby on May 11, 2020 22:15:47 GMT -8
Anyways, there is something that I would like to clear the air with because I think it will help us understanding mildville day/night mechanics. I have the power to block, and I attempted to block Farrell on may 8th and it was successful, but then Stinky said he followed me, and he said I did nothing. Here is some clarification. On night 4, you have told me you visited Farrell. You told me that you can only visit on "even" nights. This differ from mine where I can visit EVERY night. On night 5, since this is an odd night, you SHOULDN'T have been able to visit anyone. I worked with StinkyPete that I would block BuzzFly and that he would look into you. As I've stated in my survey, neither of you has the kiss of death. Here is what I am struggling with: 1. Why is your power slightly different? Is it because villains can have similar powers to heroes, but have different parameters? 2. You "mistakenly" said you can only do it on even nights to me? You didn't say that piece of information when you just told your power. 3. Who blocked StinkyPete on night 4? You and I have block powers, but neither of us blocked him according to our statements. However, there is an answer to this after much pondering: Annie switched Stinky with either of our targets (it's hard to say who got switched) 4. You COULD be lying... but that would be far too risky. You "shouldn't" know I have block power, as I have not told you until now. In the end, you have some facts that are supporting what you're saying, but you have some facts that don't guarantee you're good either. This is why I'm collecting data. Trying to make sense of the chaos. |
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Post by Stabby on May 11, 2020 22:28:51 GMT -8
Since I don't trust either Erok of Buzzfly, I'm willing to publicly disclosed what they shared with me:
From BuzzFly:
"I can bring back a person"
I then asked if I can a full description of his power, condition of his power, and he said the following
"I dont know if I have that email anymore. Can I ask why you need more than that?"
From Erok:
"I can shield someone each time. Assuming you are a good guy....who should I protect?"
I asked for more information and got nothing else
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 11, 2020 22:29:27 GMT -8
Ok, there seems to be a communication breakdown somewhere. I think we mutually didn't trust each other fully, but I lean more heavily that you are a hero.
I messed up. I got the weeks mixed up and overly complicated things when they didn't need to be.
On May 8th, I was told that I successfully blocked Farrell.
My voting pattern was
Chris Mcdougal-1-No Response
Wednesday-2-successful
Bsketchy-3 no response
Farrell-4 Successful
I see what happened.
Because I got no responses in weeks 1 and 3, I told you "I think it happens every two weeks"
Annie got voted out on May 9. I voted for Farrell in week 4 and didn't have action in week 5 after the vote for Annie. So, Alex is correct, I didn't vote for anybody. Sorry, I got mixed up on my dates, and confused myself, in thinking that I voted for Farrell, when in fact, I didn't vote for anybody this last night cycle. Albeit, my suspicions towards Farrell are healthy, I just don't think he's the biggest villain this week.
Can we get on the same page with this?
Also, personally, I think Buzzfly's denial towards not having the email is more telling of their villainry.
So to answer your questions...
1. Why is your power slightly different? Is it because villains can have similar powers to heroes, but have different parameters? I don't know
2. You "mistakenly" said you can only do it on even nights to me? You didn't say that piece of information when you just told your power. I got mixed up on date and made an assumption. Good point. I should have.
3. Who blocked StinkyPete on night 4? You and I have block powers, but neither of us blocked him according to our statements. However, there is an answer to this after much pondering: Annie switched Stinky with either of our targets (it's hard to say who got switched)---oh, that's interesting. So it's a possibility that stinky started out as a villain?...It would make sense...
4. You COULD be lying... but that would be far too risky. You "shouldn't" know I have block power, as I have not told you until now. --I wish I was a better liar, but this whole post could be attributed to my making an honest to goodness record keeping mistake in getting mixed up on dates.
So the truth is I got mixed up in keeping all these details organized and made an extraneous post that muddied up the waters accidentally.
I hope that this straightens up the confusion.
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Post by Mike Lenin on May 11, 2020 22:49:56 GMT -8
I was fairly certain both Pete and Ron were bad guys - turns out I'm a terrible judge of character. So far 4 of the dead heroes have called out Buzzfly as likely villain, does anybody have any additional dirt on them? (post 1 of 5) Don't be too hard on yourself. I'm sad about Ron Wednesday's death and totally got that one wrong, too. Stabby has a compelling theory that Stinky was switched by Annie, which would imply that he was a villain at the start, which would make sense given his character arc |
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Post by Stabby on May 11, 2020 23:02:11 GMT -8
Okay. With your response, it somewhat paints a more clear picture. A picture that is somewhat consistent with the data I have (with some assumption of similar experience as mine).
In terms of our powers, I think we're on the same page. I also understand your desire to kill Buzzfly, as between you and Buzzfly, I was more inclined to vote for Buzzfly. Until Erok talk, because he's trying to survive, after being "inactive" this entire time.
His power to easily protect people, like Neutrino, can't be overlooked. He let at least 1 clear target for protection die. It's "too helpful" without actually helping. The other reason I want to kill Erok first is that he likely has the kiss of death. Since I was able to block Buzzfly, StinkyPete was able to verify that you didn't visit anyone last night, this means that Erok or Mac has the kiss of death.
For now, I'm choosing to trust Chris Mac, I am pretty confident that the others (including) Farrell are good guys. If one of them is a villain, they're doing an insanely good job blending in.
If we can agree to vote for Buzzfly, I can get down on that, I just want Erok to die more (based on the data I've collected).
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Post by Stabby on May 11, 2020 23:09:24 GMT -8
I was fairly certain both Pete and Ron were bad guys - turns out I'm a terrible judge of character. So far 4 of the dead heroes have called out Buzzfly as likely villain, does anybody have any additional dirt on them? (post 1 of 5) Don't be too hard on yourself. I'm sad about Ron Wednesday's death and totally got that one wrong, too. Stabby has a compelling theory that Stinky was switched by Annie, which would imply that he was a villain at the start, which would make sense given his character arc I think you misunderstood me when I said Annie switched Stinky Pete. What I meant is that Annie could have switched the person you want to block "Farrell" with StinkyPete. Annie power from the Gazette states: "Her secret power was the ability to pick any two other citizens and switch the night action performed on them." This means that if you "intended" to block Farrel, you actually blocked StinkyPete instead based on Annie's power. |
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